It's not just Agar TBF. Kear used to shuffle half the team to accommodate an injury (he got the nickname 'tinkerman' as a result and has kept it at Wakey) and Sharp wasn't much different (although he had fewer options due to sheer number of injuries). No surprise that a coach who learned his trade under those two carries on with the same policy.

Just playing devils advocate here, is it the coaches to blame as you say or where they all of the opinion that the crop of youngsters we have had in recent years simply are not good enough to step up.

if that is the case then we shouldn't have been giving them false hope by awarding professional contracts, and also we shouldn't have been wasting our money on them.

i totally agree, just trying to rationalise why we have had so few yougsters come through. After all Sharp and Agar obviously saw something in Briscoe and Houghton that they where promoted to regular 1st teamers, why no others??, you can only sumise that they dont think they are good enough.

If that was the case then Agar should have removed Andy Last from his position.

but Andy is part of the furniture at Hull FC, as has been said before, too much sentimentality on the part of FC when it comes to making difficult decisions.

That's what I meant, it's either Agar's fault for not being able to develop youngsters properly in the first team once the youth system has done its job, or the youth system isn't doing its job well enough and it's Agar's fault for not taking action to ensure that it improves.

This is a criticism Morgan has thrown at him a lot and prior to Saturday the call was to play the lads. Sheriff plaid on Saturday, had a bad one and now Morgan is a tool because he didn't move Welham to fb, hall to wing etc and has killed Sherif's career.... Fans are great in hindsight and very quick to jump on a decision that didnt work. I seem to remember Agar getting criticised for throwing Lynne in.

So its Agars fault either way then?

If he were to play youngsters and not make the playoffs he would be slaughtered as well , he cant win either way..

You are right to some extent. When discussing the squad for next season it was mentioned we didn't need to sign any fowards on one thread and promote some of the youngsters. Posters were then saying our squad wouldn't be good enough. Fans want young local players but then complain when they are not up to scratch 4/5 games later.

However, Agar has failed in the last two seasons with young players, they should have had more chances so we know if they are good enough or not.

were both right and both wrong paul, the trouble is he is (wether some believe it or not) in the job of trying to win silverware so kids and promising youngsters simply do not fit into that criteria with the playoffs within our grasp... should we however totally drop out of contention then i am sure things would change but right now we are hanging on by our fingernails to that 8th spot and as such isnt the right time for a promising young Pearce or similar not until the wheel completely comes off if you see my meaning

He could have used them at home to Oldham and could also use them instead of playing injured players. Otherwise what's the point in them if they never get a game?

I cant disagree with you on that [point Paul