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I was listening to Radio 5 yesterday and someone mentioned that the whole Star Wars series had altered and affected every aspect of his life. He was totally devoted to Star Wars. Yes you got it a series of films which made rich men and women of the actors and directors etc, but at the end of the day was a made up story set in a fantasy land. But he has his right to love it and clearly despite some kind of mental illness he is accepted for it.

I on the other hand have worshiped at the temple of Hull FC for 34 years. 20 of those years have been while I lived here in the south. I used to dream of playing for Hull FC and now I dream of winning the Euro millions and owning them. Lets face it what you haven't had before you won't mind losing (the cash that is)

Every day I think about whats going on at the club. Every day just about I wear an item of clothing which started life in the club shop. There is certainly always a Hull shirt in the machine come wash days.

I have been told that I am sad. Invariably by people who really don't get it. They tend to be either a) Dog lovers (they know who they are. I equally dislike dogs and fail to see the attraction in being sniffed and licked by a hairy creature, but each to their own.) b) Southerners c) Rovers fans d) Football fans who think life starts and finishes with football (or Man Utd) e) Non sports fans in general.

Why I fell in love with HFC I can not really say. Surfice to say it gives me a purpose away from the main things of family and work. It has given me untold pleasure which however they try a good woman could never do (unless she too is a HFC fan) It has also given me so many emotional highs and lows that it is a drug. But most of all it has made me feel part of something which is unique. Old Faithful, friendships, arguements (in a friendly way) Rugby League the poor mans rugby apparently which is a sport that has endured despite the efforts of Union and public schools and the armed forces......etc. It is simply a way of life.

To some its sad, but just like matey boy who loves Star Wars it is a passion which will never die once you have truely been bitten by the bug. Whatever floats someones boat is fine with me provided they are not doing harm without consent. [size(Though I might add I dislike Rovers and Wire fans in equal measure) [/sizeNext season will be tough for me and probably every season here in until either a) the kids have grown up or b) they stop with bl00dy Friday nights for every game. But I understand that and have accepted it. What I will not do though is walk away and forget as I love the club, my fellow supporters and I will always be proud to say I support Hull FC in any kind of weather[size.(Though as I get older pi55y rain and cold wind is not so nice) [/size

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The team you support is the one that sends you through all the emotions,highs,lows,frustration,elation, its all there.Once you get it in your blood its hard to pack it in.I can`t wait for next season,even though I know I am in for the above mentioned roller coaster ride.

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Quote: Darkside Dave "In light of there being very few really solid rumours around and a lot of talk about renewing/buying passes I thought I'd chip in my two-peneth.

Since my first game at the Boulevard against Widnes in the 89/90 season I've been totally hooked on Hull FC and rugby league. I got my pass as soon as they went on sale and always will finances permitting. For me Hull FC is a part of my life and whilst my enjoyment is very much affected by how they do, my decision to go and watch them is not. I've seen some really poor times and some successful ones too.

For me it's not just about the matchday experience. It's Having a few beers with friends before the game, meeting up with the new friends I've made through the game, travelling away to see other places, the annual trip to Wembley, wearing my colours, the banter with other fans both at and away from games, looking out for positive news (and being disappointed) and that's just off the top of my head.

This is not about loyalty. That doesn't wash with me. It's about choice.

What does Hull FC and rugby league in general mean to you?'"


Good post. I can fully understand where you are coming from! icon_thumb.gif

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Have to agree with most of the posts on here,once its in your blood your hooked.Have so many good and bad memories The good times are some of the best of my life the bad only seem to make the good ones even better.I have been going for as long as I care to remember with my best mate and the pride we now feel taking our kids who are the same age and as hooked as we were,and the friends we have made over the years from the boulevard to the kc make it even more worthwhile.Heres hoping for good times in 2011 but ill still be there having a laugh or a cry.

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Why do I support Hull Fc? Not to watch free flowing rugby league that’s for sure.
I have (like many others) spent absolutely thousands of pounds on watching HFC; it’s an obsession, a craving for the atmosphere and above all a desire to see ‘my team’ do well.
I’ve seen some sh*te players represent ‘my team’ and some world class players also. All these players have contributed to memories that will live with me forever. I have witnessed the highs of cup finals and league championships and also unfortunately, the lows of watching the whole club nearly going down the pan. That’s why the Agar era doesn’t faze me as much as it does others; not that I’m happy, it just doesn’t measure up to sleepless nights wondering about the future of club.

As they say in Barcelona It’s "more than a colour”




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Quote: hfc herts "I was listening to Radio 5 yesterday and someone mentioned that the whole Star Wars series had altered and affected every aspect of his life. He was totally devoted to Star Wars. Yes you got it a series of films which made rich men and women of the actors and directors etc, but at the end of the day was a made up story set in a fantasy land. But he has his right to love it and clearly despite some kind of mental illness he is accepted for it.

I on the other hand have worshiped at the temple of Hull FC for 34 years. 20 of those years have been while I lived here in the south. I used to dream of playing for Hull FC and now I dream of winning the Euro millions and owning them. Lets face it what you haven't had before you won't mind losing (the cash that is)

Every day I think about whats going on at the club. Every day just about I wear an item of clothing which started life in the club shop. There is certainly always a Hull shirt in the machine come wash days.

I have been told that I am sad. Invariably by people who really don't get it. They tend to be either a) Dog lovers (they know who they are. I equally dislike dogs and fail to see the attraction in being sniffed and licked by a hairy creature, but each to their own.) b) Southerners c) Rovers fans d) Football fans who think life starts and finishes with football (or Man Utd) e) Non sports fans in general.

Why I fell in love with HFC I can not really say. Surfice to say it gives me a purpose away from the main things of family and work. It has given me untold pleasure which however they try a good woman could never do (unless she too is a HFC fan) It has also given me so many emotional highs and lows that it is a drug. But most of all it has made me feel part of something which is unique. Old Faithful, friendships, arguements (in a friendly way) Rugby League the poor mans rugby apparently which is a sport that has endured despite the efforts of Union and public schools and the armed forces......etc. It is simply a way of life.

To some its sad, but just like matey boy who loves Star Wars it is a passion which will never die once you have truely been bitten by the bug. Whatever floats someones boat is fine with me provided they are not doing harm without consent. [size(Though I might add I dislike Rovers and Wire fans in equal measure) [/sizeNext season will be tough for me and probably every season here in until either a) the kids have grown up or b) they stop with bl00dy Friday nights for every game. But I understand that and have accepted it. What I will not do though is walk away and forget as I love the club, my fellow supporters and I will always be proud to say I support Hull FC in any kind of weather[size.(Though as I get older pi55y rain and cold wind is not so nice) [/size'"


Superb post. Especially the bit about dogs. icon_wink.gif

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In any kind of weather cause it's where my PE teacher from Villa Place (Mr Cameron) gave me the chance to by a ticket for 1/6d in 1969.

In any kind of weather - I've followed them ever since they've made me laugh, they've certainly made me cry.

In any kind of weather -they are in my blood and now my families just as much.

In any kind of weather even - though I've cried through the pains of Wembley losses.

In any kind of weather - I've seen the best the world can offer, Norton, Sterling, kemble and Swain.

In any kind of weather even though I've witnessed players so bad, they've caused emotional pain (that rhymes!)

In any kind of weather through all the Derby's and God I hate em'.

In ant kind of weather at Thrum Hall, Crown Flatt, New Hunslet and Donny!

In any kind of weather at the best stadium - KC.

In any kind of weather - at the beloved Boulevard - even now in all it's ruin of sticks and stone.

In any kind of weather - at the start of every nervous season.

In any kind of weather - for those who have gone to the 3d Stand in the sky.

In any kind of weather -for the passion, the banter, the 'ull lads an lasses' that set us apart.

In any kind of weather - It's tattoo'd on my lads arm and in my heart.

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I will be renewing next season, but I can't deny that my interest has significantly waned in recent seasons.

I'm prepared to put up with the 'lows' I sat/stood through the late 90s for example, but back then there was a reason we were rubbish, we coulden't afford it. Playing in a clapped out ground, to average gates with few other revenue streams. The move to the KC changed all that, and after a slightly jittery start in 2003...until the end of 2007 we delivered. HullFC were back at the top end of the game.

the board controversially sacked Kear, but despite a few complaints from fans, at the time most trusted and had faith in their decision. Their decision paid off and Sharp improved the side and took us to our first Grand Final.

then the wheels came off.

the Cooke saga shattered the boards reputation IMO and further scandals such as Thackray playing in the cup further damaged the reputation. Aside from a few good moments (the end to 2007 was good, as was the run to the 2008 CC final and gutsy performance in the final) its been a gradual decline back to being also-rans.

We are now in a position where the board are happy to just let the club 'tick-over' so long as it makes the top8 and the tills keep ringing then that's it for the season and the hype starts again for the next season. The rugby is boring, and we seldom win the 'big' games of importance anymore.

after decades of financial incompetence at HullFC, I am of course delighted that the club turns in a profit, and is ran well in a business manner. But sadly that does not excite the fans on the terraces, and with no relegation in SL...a season plodding around in mid-table is very dull.

the optimists would say 'ah, but we nearly made the top4 last year' but ultimately we didn't: we lost to Wire, lost to Leeds, lost to Rovers...and didn't look anywhere near getting to the grand final.

We go into next season with the same squad, all a year older, no doubt the same tactics and will generally stand still whilst other teams improve. Nothing will be done to change this, because from the board's point of the view the formula is a 'winning' one.

so yes, still a fan and always will be....but will the excitement still be there? not unless there are big changes, starting with the out of depth, unproven, head coach.

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Quote: UllFC "I will be renewing next season, but I can't deny that my interest has significantly waned in recent seasons.

I'm prepared to put up with the 'lows' I sat/stood through the late 90s for example, but back then there was a reason we were rubbish, we coulden't afford it. Playing in a clapped out ground, to average gates with few other revenue streams. The move to the KC changed all that, and after a slightly jittery start in 2003...until the end of 2007 we delivered. HullFC were back at the top end of the game.

the board controversially sacked Kear, but despite a few complaints from fans, at the time most trusted and had faith in their decision. Their decision paid off and Sharp improved the side and took us to our first Grand Final.

then the wheels came off.

the Cooke saga shattered the boards reputation IMO and further scandals such as Thackray playing in the cup further damaged the reputation. Aside from a few good moments (the end to 2007 was good, as was the run to the 2008 CC final and gutsy performance in the final) its been a gradual decline back to being also-rans.

We are now in a position where the board are happy to just let the club 'tick-over' so long as it makes the top8 and the tills keep ringing then that's it for the season and the hype starts again for the next season. The rugby is boring, and we seldom win the 'big' games of importance anymore.

after decades of financial incompetence at HullFC, I am of course delighted that the club turns in a profit, and is ran well in a business manner. But sadly that does not excite the fans on the terraces, and with no relegation in SL...a season plodding around in mid-table is very dull.

the optimists would say 'ah, but we nearly made the top4 last year' but ultimately we didn't

Great post and much more representative of my own feelings than some of the sanctimonious bilge others have posted on this thread

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Quote: UllFC "I will be renewing next season, but I can't deny that my interest has significantly waned in recent seasons.

I'm prepared to put up with the 'lows' I sat/stood through the late 90s for example, but back then there was a reason we were rubbish, we coulden't afford it. Playing in a clapped out ground, to average gates with few other revenue streams. The move to the KC changed all that, and after a slightly jittery start in 2003...until the end of 2007 we delivered. HullFC were back at the top end of the game.

the board controversially sacked Kear, but despite a few complaints from fans, at the time most trusted and had faith in their decision. Their decision paid off and Sharp improved the side and took us to our first Grand Final.

then the wheels came off.

the Cooke saga shattered the boards reputation IMO and further scandals such as Thackray playing in the cup further damaged the reputation. Aside from a few good moments (the end to 2007 was good, as was the run to the 2008 CC final and gutsy performance in the final) its been a gradual decline back to being also-rans.

We are now in a position where the board are happy to just let the club 'tick-over' so long as it makes the top8 and the tills keep ringing then that's it for the season and the hype starts again for the next season. The rugby is boring, and we seldom win the 'big' games of importance anymore.

after decades of financial incompetence at HullFC, I am of course delighted that the club turns in a profit, and is ran well in a business manner. But sadly that does not excite the fans on the terraces, and with no relegation in SL...a season plodding around in mid-table is very dull.

the optimists would say 'ah, but we nearly made the top4 last year' but ultimately we didn't

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I've supported the club for many many years (1st game 196icon_cool.gif and have seen some dreadful lows, specifically the mid 70's and late 90's when the club very nearly went out of existence. As you point out there was mitigating circumstances which accounted for the team's poor performance in those eras, namely the appalling financial strait which the club found itself in.

At least the current board have removed that fear from supporters hearts. But,as you rightly say, when watching the team today, it's difficult to get away from the feeling that we are selling ourselves badly short. We are a heavyweight who punch like a welterweight. The worst part of this is the fact that we manoeuvered ourselves into a position of challenging for the game's major honours on a consistent and regular basis (2004-06) only to throw that advantage away in a welter of bad decision making (both on and off the field).

I will still be there next season, "In any kind of weather" as, like most on here, Hull Fc is in my blood (thank you Daddy). I will support the club until the day I die because I still love the game and everything that surrounds it. The banter around the ground, meeting up with my mates, the communal feeling that we only really get these days at sporting events. But that enjoyment has during the last few years been counterbalanced by an increasing sense of frustration at our inability to transfer our undoubted off field success into a tangible equivilent on the field.

We need a leap of vision and imagination to lift the team from mid-table mediocrity and into the game's true elite which is where a club of our size and standing should be. A top four finish should be the minimum of our ambition, not some holy grail merely to be dreamt of. I hate to keep banging on about this (as I have done in various other threads) but in order to achieve the lofty goals which our superb supporters should witness, we need some major surgery on the playing side of the club. The squad, as it currently stands, simply isn't up to the task in hand. As for the coach, I'm baffled as to how anyone can believe he is the one to take us to the summit. He's a decent guy no doubt, but he lacks that X-factor quality that raises players & teams to play at a level previously beyond them. And until someone at the club realises this and changes the whole culture within the team then we will continue to walk straight into a dead end marked nowhere.

I have no expectations for 2011. I have a nagging feeling it's going to be more of the same. The odd game where we look capable to be followed immediately by a performance of shocking ineptitude. I've decided to take next season week by week. If we win (hooray and I'll enjoy the week ahead). If we lose. I'll merely shrug my shoulders and move on to the next game. But. long term, I feel we are going round in ever decreasing circles.

Whatever next year may bring, I will be there, supporting my team "In any kind of weather" because it is in my lifeblood. Passed down from Grandfather to Father to me. There is no escaping it, no running away from it, no matter how much you would like to. It's a part of all our lives and I'm sure all our lives would be considerably duller without it (the highs and the lows).

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Have to agree with just about all the sentiments on here. The problem - for me - is the lack of elite experience on the non-playing side of the club. They genuinely believe that they know what it takes to reach the top of the game but they have no idea, because they've never really experienced it. Specifically, I refer to Richard Agar, James rule and Kath Hetherington who have absolutely no experience at any level of any signficance.

Kath has been around the game for years but has only ever been directly associated with the likes of Sheffield, Gateshead, and Bramley before us (all three of which went bust soon after!). Many people talk about her knowledge of the game which cannot be denied but its a parochial out of date knowledge and totally out of touch with the fast changing modern game.

In the modern game, the value of a coach / CEO / chairman is not who they bring in as a marquee signing (anyone can sign a big name if they're prepared to offer contracts that are either longer or more lucrative than anyone else); the true worth of the club's leaders comes in who they can squeeze in under the salary cap. Hungry players desperate to perform or blokes that have lost their way but can be turned around under good coaching. They're the sort that can turn a team around and - arguably - we've not really brought anyone in that fits that description under the current regime. Harsh? maybe, but even the likes of Tansey and Turner who started so well last year seemed to have lost their way completely by the end of the year.

Rumblings from within the camp suggest that one of our aussie marquee signings is less than impressed by the general lack of ambition within the current set up and he won't be taking up his third year option for 2012.

It should be no surprise. Why is agar still in charge? It can only be because it makes life much easier for Kath and Rule. Agar and Webster lack the experience to challenge them and are happy to plod along doing their best but, really, paddling frantically to stay afloat.

Martin Sadler in the League Express reported last week that since SL began, the title had been won five times by someone in their first season as a head coach (such as McGuire) and three times by someone in their first season coaching that club (such as McLennan) so the whole notion of Agar being a 'rookie coach' and 'not having his own team' was just a load of bull - he's got more experience than some of his peers, its just experience of mediocrity and he's just not good enough. Rule and Hetherington have kept him in position; they also appointed Peter Sharp. Once Agar gets the bullet (as I firmly believe he will before mid-season next year) then can we really trust them to make the right decision next time around?

The pendulum is swinging back to the Aussies once again; British coaches are well down the pecking order - overtaken by the new ideas coming from Smith, Brown and McGuire. Look at how many of the England squad come from Wigan, Warrington and Huddersfield. Our determination to stick with an English coach is not even admirable any more - its just stupid

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Quote: Ian Weather " Rumblings from within the camp suggest that one of our aussie marquee signings is less than impressed by the general lack of ambition within the current set up and he won't be taking up his third year option for 2012. '"

Blimey, so O'Meley's had enough already. Maybe he'll be joining his buddy Mason at Rovers.

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Quote: UllFC "We are now in a position where the board are happy to just let the club 'tick-over' so long as it makes the top8 and the tills keep ringing then that's it for the season'"

Really? How do you know this to be a fact?

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Quote: Kosh "Really? How do you know this to be a fact?'"


it isn't fact, it is opinion, where did I state it was a fact?

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Quote: Ian Weather "Have to agree with just about all the sentiments on here. The problem - for me - is the lack of elite experience on the non-playing side of the club. They genuinely believe that they know what it takes to reach the top of the game but they have no idea, because they've never really experienced it. Specifically, I refer to Richard Agar, James rule and Kath Hetherington who have absolutely no experience at any level of any signficance.

Kath has been around the game for years but has only ever been directly associated with the likes of Sheffield, Gateshead, and Bramley before us (all three of which went bust soon after!). Many people talk about her knowledge of the game which cannot be denied but its a parochial out of date knowledge and totally out of touch with the fast changing modern game.

In the modern game, the value of a coach / CEO / chairman is not who they bring in as a marquee signing (anyone can sign a big name if they're prepared to offer contracts that are either longer or more lucrative than anyone else); the true worth of the club's leaders comes in who they can squeeze in under the salary cap. Hungry players desperate to perform or blokes that have lost their way but can be turned around under good coaching. They're the sort that can turn a team around and - arguably - we've not really brought anyone in that fits that description under the current regime. Harsh? maybe, but even the likes of Tansey and Turner who started so well last year seemed to have lost their way completely by the end of the year.

Rumblings from within the camp suggest that one of our aussie marquee signings is less than impressed by the general lack of ambition within the current set up and he won't be taking up his third year option for 2012.

It should be no surprise. Why is agar still in charge? It can only be because it makes life much easier for Kath and Rule. Agar and Webster lack the experience to challenge them and are happy to plod along doing their best but, really, paddling frantically to stay afloat.

Martin Sadler in the League Express reported last week that since SL began, the title had been won five times by someone in their first season as a head coach (such as McGuire) and three times by someone in their first season coaching that club (such as McLennan) so the whole notion of Agar being a 'rookie coach' and 'not having his own team' was just a load of bull - he's got more experience than some of his peers, its just experience of mediocrity and he's just not good enough. Rule and Hetherington have kept him in position; they also appointed Peter Sharp. Once Agar gets the bullet (as I firmly believe he will before mid-season next year) then can we really trust them to make the right decision next time around?

The pendulum is swinging back to the Aussies once again; British coaches are well down the pecking order - overtaken by the new ideas coming from Smith, Brown and McGuire. Look at how many of the England squad come from Wigan, Warrington and Huddersfield. Our determination to stick with an English coach is not even admirable any more - its just stupid'"


What a great post. Sums up the club perfectly.

agar learnt his trade playing under coaches in the 2nd tier of the game and playing 2nd fiddle to 2 failed coaches at Hull. How the hell can we expect any more from him than we get?

Your comments about the type of player we bring in shows how good mcrae was (and still is) in this area. The type of coach we need won't come to Hull and work in the environment we expect the coach to work in. IMO we need an experienced DOR and an up and coming aussie coach to work under him. rule may be good at the business side of things so let him concentrate on that and bring in someone to run the rugby side

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