He missed the Derby too. MCL (I think) in the Leeds game. Out for 4 more weeks. Satae suspended, Kelly suspended, Faraimo doubtful with a groin injury.

Also Jordan Lane went off injured on Friday so would image he will be a doubt.

Because it's only saints who are missing players. Their fans give Daryl Powell a run for his money in moaning about injuries. Wire only beat them because it was our first team(minus both captains and marquee signing!)playing against all their youngsters.

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totalrl.com......Matthew Shaw September 11, 2018

Looking at this kid and Hicks, have they even played Rugby? They look like theyve been dragged off their xbox and asked if they fancy a career in reffing

I honestly dont think they get the physicality aspect of the sport at times, and end up making very fussy decisions as well as some your really scratching your head at.

I think its time the full refereeing process is looked at as its a shambles

I think that's quite disrespectful actually.
They may not have played rugby, they may have but ultimately they are rugby fans who have been brave enough to become refs, despite scrutinised TV replays and slow mo's and facing the criticism of a lot of biased and blinkered fans who are instant experts or armchair refs.

Yes they make mistakes but ultimately they get 1 viewing in real time and I'm sure they don't intentionally make errors.

Hicks made a couple of dodgy calls on Friday but overall wasn't too bad.
The other guy has been demoted to championship and has hopefully improved and learned from any previous mistakes made.

Ultimately it's not everyones career path and there's hardly a lot of candidates wanting to become refs.

I'm regards to Satae, that wasn't Hicks doing, the punishment is harsh imo but by the letter of the law is the correct ruling. If Satae hadn't been daft enough to hit a relaxed player in the back, this wouldn't even be being discussed.

The Rfl dictate the criteria and the interpretation of rules and the refs have to follow.

Maybe video assistance referees to correct obvious howlers would be the way forward.

Indeed, and what does the guys physicality have to do with it, lets get a load of 20 stone roid droids in to ref, be good for the game, wouldn't it?

Yes because that worked with Jamie Bloem

Hahaha made me chuckle anyway

Looks like we'll have Makinson and Knowles back, but no Coote, Walmsley, Amor or Roby still. No excuses with injuries, both sides seem to have a similar group out. Your luck with injuries has to change soon, but looks like we're having a normal year this time. We were so lucky last season in that regard. Should be an interesting game. If we win I'll write last week off as a blip for us and assume normal service has been resumed, but if you win I think you'll be the real deal this season. Might stick a fiver on you winning the cup.

According to William Jackson Hull's HDM Reporter.

I expect Ellis to be in, but as I understand it, Faraimo won’t be.

As for my team, I haven’t thought about that yet. Here’s a stab: Shaul; Naulago, Tuimavave, Griffin, Swift; Connor, Sneyd; Taylor, Houghton, Sao; Jones, Savelio; Ellis. Bench: Fonua, Fash, Bowden, Johnstone.

Good side that and Strongish bench

Makinson back is a big big plus. At 0-13 on Thursday Naiqama had a chance Tommy would have gobbled up. We then went on to concede down left edge when all at sea after Percy went off injured.

From maybe 6-13 and back in the game we're 0-17 and dead in the water.

Knowles will bring some intensity in defence too against a big Hull side.

Should be a great game, shame it's not on telly for us southerners!

Can't Tommy comeback next week

Looks as though you will have Makinson, Amor, Knowles and probably Walmsley back for Sunday reading between the lines from Woolfs interview. He says Walmsley has a chance of making the squad so I would imagine he will. Whilst the return of Makinson is a plus that is tempered for St's somewhat by the loss of Percival.

With us missing Ma'u, Faraimo through injury and Kelly, Satae through suspension and with a doubt over Lane we are definitely going to miss those players.

Should be a good evenly matched game and hoping the weather stays fair so we can see two good sides go at it for 80mins and hopefully see a great game.

Big big news for us that - Walmsley/Amor/Knowles and the pack has a very different look about it, albeit you have to wonder how fit they will each be.

Desperately hoping we get through unscathed and add Roby for the WCC next week. Anything less than that and I fear we'll be in for a good old fashioned shoeing against the Roosters.

Here's hoping:

1 Welsby
2 Makinson
3 Costello
4 Naiqama
5 Grace
6 Lomax
7 Fages
8 Walmsley
9 Bentley (difficult one, I prefer Smith but with three forwards coming back after knocks Bentley offers more utility value, spelled with Knowles)
10 Thompson
11 Taia
12 Peyroux
13 Knowles

14 LMS
15 Lees
16 Amor
16 Paulo