I'm all for doing something .... like I said its our club thats suffering.

Both, either, any

These type of groups in general. Good idea and in theory but it's following it through.

FCVoices is not and has never been a bloody fans action group.

It was set up as laison group between the fans and the club, it has had some success in its endevours. I had the honour of serving with them for some time until I blotched my copy book with the club.

The club will not agree to any fans forum half way through this season, why should it expose itself to the wrath of a few hundred fans. Such a forum would achieve what exactly ?

1) Provide those across the river with a good evenings entertainment

2) Open up wounds within the club that could take years to heal.

3) Finally drive the directors into excepting they should leave.

HISA will be needed fairly soon IMHO as this crisis deepens and the club officials take to the air shelters deep under the KC. Kosh spoke of a seige mentality developing within the club, I think they have been in one for years. They fall out with the media and hide behind KCFM, where they are allowed to control output in exchange for exclusives. They are collectively unsure of what too do next, like rabbits caught in the headlights. They have used the same hackneyed phrases over and over again "cliche bingo" has been re born. This lot could come crashing down if people do not stand back a little and consider that they are a group of people who did after all save the club. They are also the same group of people who lead us too a Cardiff victory, a wembley appearance and a grand final. Common ground has to be sort and the club has too come from behind its self built isolation. Pressure groups can be vehicles for change, thats change not destruction and too many people seem to want destruction , destruction destruction.

I keep telling everyone careful what you wish for you may just get it

No, i didn't.

I'd be willing to help out if HISA re-formed but as I have no experience of running such an organisation it would probably need a good half a dozen or so experienced people to keep it focused and representative of the fans.

Wilf - how many members do you think we will need to have a realistic voice?

But would they listen to them direct and have a direct link to the club, or would they have to speak to the club via FC voices and then if that was the case, would the awkward questions get right through that channel of communication.





that will always be a problem, i know from past experience.

i know he has put 4000, but i think that is way too unrealisitic.

Avg fan base of 10k, i would think between 1 & 2k is more realistic.

the problem being is people will ask for such organisation, but its getting them to join that is the problem, some will begrudge paying a pound or whatever, others will just say its not worth it theyll do nothing for me. Even if its free it will be a struglle to build up the numbers

Hutchie

how many members did HISA have ?

was heading towards 1500 iirc

Excellant Points from Karl it is a thankless task as he so well knows. I think that if we are in such a bad state and so many folks are upset, (as we would be led to believe on here) then 4000 is not an unacceptable target. The trouble is folks like to sit behind their computers and complain and yet will not spend that time giving something back, or putting their money where their mouths are.

Any New HIsA arganisation could use all the constitution etc that the current one has, but I know what Karls problems are and I am sure he would agree that it probably needs some new and probably high profile staff at the top and a big membership drive to get the size of mandate it will need.

My point is that if things are as bad as they were back in the late 1990's folks will be clambering to join, if not then it will be harder, but those who think we need the organisation must weigh their own thoughts against the thoughts of the general support and decide if there is enough feeling to make it a goer!!

If they feel there is they should get hold of Hutchie discuss the current situation and a way of remobilising the Group!

How time consuming a job is it? Would it be easier if more people were involved in terms of running it?