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If our pack had performed a bit better in attack and made more yards then our kicking would have been more effective but we did the best we could under the circumstances. Wires line speed was excellent too. Hopefully next season the pack will be stronger

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Just realised this has been highlighted by jake and Bonaire but much more detail! Apologies.

It was a cracking match though best bit of RL I watched in a while and congrats wire getting to the final

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Quote: Armavinit " Wish my dad had had the dosh to send me to uni. '"


Didn't need any parental support for my university and post graduate education in England. It was all free! How was that allowed to change?

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Quote: Mrs Barista "I see you've already been corrected. I don't expect an acknowledgement, but it's good that others have pointed this out.

Perhaps we just accept that we have a different lens on the club and our outlook in supporting it?

I choose to invest a fair bit of time and effort in supporting and following the club. My choice. I choose to enjoy the journey, accept it will have ups and downs, accept there are things I can't change, accept that we have fewer resources than Warrington, Saints, Leeds, Wigan. I seek out the positives where I can and like to draw broader context where I believe it's relevant. Being a supporter of the club for me is not simply creating the goal of grand final or bust and being negative about anything and everything that doesn't align with that. It's about savouring moments on the way, such as Ratu's length of the field efforts, Sneyd's golden points, the double over Leeds. Otherwise, what's the point? It doesn't mean I don't hope for trophies, of course I do. It means being realistic, pragmatic and supportive of what the club is trying to achieve, including the coaching staff. All of the above is my choice about how I want to feel about supporting Hull FC. And it's been pretty consistent over the last 30 odd years in eras covering the lower tier, Tony Gordon, Richard Agar, David Lloyd and so on.

Your interpretation of the above is to criticise the outlook as acceptance of mediocrity and therefore a betrayal of the club's best interests. Fair enough - it's your choice to see it like that. There are plenty on here who probably spend the same time and effort, undoubtedly many far more so than I do, who choose to view my attitude and others' in this way. Your choice. Positivity and appreciation are seen as indicators of nausea-inducing weakness. Only those who call out their continued dissatisfaction geniunely want the best for the club, and improvement can only be made by listing areas of deficiency, whether or not their elimination can realistically be delivered.

Here's the rub. For all the energy you are choosing to invest in trying to argue with me, discredit me, belittle me for my attitude in enjoying supporting the club for what it is rather than singularly what trophies it wins, you can't change me. Expect the worst, hope for the best, take victories with happiness, and defeats with dignity and empathy, and turn up again next week regardless - that's the aim. This doesn't mean I don't disagree with some of the club's actions - I'm still not over getting rid of Liam Watts for example. But when I consider the negativity quotient on here disconnected with the club's position I will call it out and counter it. I think I am OK to do so, regardless of whether you do.

In respect of the insinuation that I have multiple accounts on here to in some way fabricate a body of supporting opinion, and that I am making up posts on Twitter, I think we both know that neither of these are true. I would recommend taking a breath. Perhaps we can reconcile our differences a little and be more mutually respectful. I'm pretty sure most on here are jaded with the constant sparring.

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Quote: bonaire "Mrs B
You really dont have to explain yourself on here.
You are making yourself look a lonely and sad individual
Get off the forum and enjoy your holiday'"


And the same could be said about you.

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Quote: Hessle Roader "And the same could be said about you.'"


Let him carry on digging.
Ifs pretty obvious there could only be one winner, and it wont be him. icon_lol.gif

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Quote: bonaire "Mrs B
You really dont have to explain yourself on here.
You are making yourself look a lonely and sad individual
Get off the forum and enjoy your holiday'"


Have to say I don’t think Mrs B is coming across lonely and sad at all.
Really not comfy with some of the personal comments on here.

Can’t we just debate our team with our own personal views and not persist in getting into crossfire and sometimes the drawn out Tit for tat ? Which is becoming tedious at best.
It’s hardly going change someone’s opinion, and I like reading how other co fans see the game and read the game.
No one should be shot down for a belief about the game or our team, even if we disagree.
Would be good if some on here could bury the hatchets and just make this a good place to air OUR VERY DIFFERENT OPINIONS on the club we love.

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Quote: Mrs Barista "That's sort of what I'm saying Jake. I'm explaining how I see things. Relentless negativity to me is harmful to the club's interests just as the other side see my positivity/pragmatism as holding the club back.'"

Nothing on here is harmless to anything other than the mental health of some seemingly fragile individuals. I've said before that some people on here take it far too seriously

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I agree with the comments on here re the changing line speed and the huge advantage that is giving teams. Yes Warringtons line speed was noticeably faster then ours and it really hampered our first and 2nd receivers, and probably our game plan too.
So it’s clearly a really key tactic.
If Wire were faster than us, when we played Saints a few games ago they were on a different level. They were literally sprinting to meet our line at our play the ball. They kept it going for the 80 too, so their fitness levels have to be very high to maintain that.
I just think that Holbrook has really pushed this key change with Saints and they are leading the way.
These days more than ever If you can’t match your oppositions line speed your in for a tough day at the office.
And Saints have set the benchmark we all have to match.

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]As you say Sneyd was kicking a lot from inside our own half due to our lack of yardage in possession but i wouldnt say he was kicking under pressure'"]
Sneyd was constantly under pressure, he was flattened at least 3 times, one of which should have resulted in a penalty, the rest of the time Wire players were rushing up to him. Skinny 10 and they took full advantage.

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wasn't to disappointed over loss,maybe too many errors.better side won.we have a tremendous record winning semis.5 on the bounce,law of averages say you will lose one eventually.

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I was genuinely surprised at how we (Wire) played on Saturday given our truly abysmal showings the previous 2 weeks.
Price has obviously drilled into them the game plan - kicking game, strong chase and big efforts to restrict meters in tackles 1 to 3 based on line speed and numbers, BUT fair play to Hull. You took chances when they came and we never really looked like we'd shake you off until the final try. Ratu showed great speed and stood up our defence like a kipper, and the Kelly kick was top draw.
Radford pointed out the deficiency - high kick defence - and I can well understand his frustration if you'd been working on it all week.

I counted the wrong calls by the ref and I saw 4 that went against you - including the Shawl break which I didn't think was a knock on. There was 1 against us. I've counted worse but even so...

Onward and upward.

I actually am In 2 mins about getting to Wembley. Depends which Wire turn up.
We could get totally stuffed.
You may yet have the last laugh.

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Quote: fez1 "I was genuinely surprised at how we (Wire) played on Saturday given our truly abysmal showings the previous 2 weeks.
Price has obviously drilled into them the game plan - kicking game, strong chase and big efforts to restrict meters in tackles 1 to 3 based on line speed and numbers, BUT fair play to Hull. You took chances when they came and we never really looked like we'd shake you off until the final try. Ratu showed great speed and stood up our defence like a kipper, and the Kelly kick was top draw.
Radford pointed out the deficiency - high kick defence - and I can well understand his frustration if you'd been working on it all week.

I counted the wrong calls by the ref and I saw 4 that went against you - including the Shawl break which I didn't think was a knock on. There was 1 against us. I've counted worse but even so...

Onward and upward.

I actually am In 2 mins about getting to Wembley. Depends which Wire turn up.
We could get totally stuffed.
You may yet have the last laugh.'"



Good luck in the final.

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Have Saints ever played Wire in a Challenge cup final, I don’t recall.

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