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Quote: ccs "Fair enough, but as you have seen from other replies, certain individuals treat posters with total contempt at every opportunity.

The debate about Hull's current form is extremely one-sided at the moment, and it seems that any counter arguments are irrelevant.'"

that simply isn't true, a few people seem to have an overtly positive agenda and will not hear a bad word said. We are all fans, no more or less important than one another, some seem self-righteous, which is a shame. Because we all want the same thing, and I believe we all know, deep down, that we're not going to win anything any time soon, and that hurts.

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Quote: BP1 "It does actually raise a very pertinant point. Who is the real "true" supporter, the one who decides on a course of action (a refusal to fund a cause which has clearly lost its way) or the one who simply blindly continues to follow oblivious to the obvious deficiences which are becoming more apparent with each passing week.

As you say, cue the posts
I would say someone who supports their side no matter what. The fact is I cannot recall anybody saying they will stop supporting Hull Fc on this or other threads. There are some refusing to spend more of their hard earned money or give up their limited free time to go and watch the team. But not going to a game is a lot different to not supporting your side.

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Quote: Rock God X "“It wasn’t ideal but it took Jason Crookes’ sending off for us to actually start having a real go and begin working for each other, and play with a bit of intensity.

We have got a lot to get out of that last 20 minutes, it showed the character that is certainly there within the squad about how far we are willing to dig for each other."

Two consecutive paragraphs that almost totally contradict one another.

It took a man getting sent off for us to start working for each other, but the last twenty minutes shows how much character we have? If we had 'character', surely it wouldn't have taken three quarters of the game and going a man down to get us up for the fight, would it? Or am I missing something?'"

Agree,you shouldn't a sending off to kick start your effort,you should be up for it every time you pull your club shirt on. Joe it was a derby match against your major rivals in the town,you were one of the few that did look up for it,yeaman had a better game, houghton and shaul did ok,feka was your best player,but paea,carvell,rankin,watts etc were rubbish.

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Quote: BP1 "Tom Lineham?

I would just like to point out that when I posted my (very short) list of retainees last night, I was projecting onto a desired scenario sometime in the future, some 4/5 years into the future in fact. I wasn't advocating that 95% of the 2014 squad should be heading through the outdoor come September. Plus, after the events of the last couple of weeks I am currently in one of my very cynical moods.

I will repeat though that if we were looking to build towards a Grand Final winning team in say, 2019, then right now my only absolute definates would be Shaul & Lineham. Added to that would be a (short) list of probables/possibles including Westerman, Houghton, Crooks and one or two others.

The rest, by and large, would be gone by 2019, due to a combination of age/attitude/ability. I agree with Pmarrow in that we have become soft and sentimental and it is one of the reasons why the development of Hull Fc as a club has driven straight down a blind alley since October 2006.

Just out of interest, does anyone know how many of the Leeds side which won their first Grand Final in 2004 was a first team member in 1999. Or, similarly, how many of Warrington's 2007 vintage took to the Old Trafford stage in 2012. The point being that Leeds & Wire were the two clubs who held the great under achievers tag before we assumed the mantle. What kind of player turnover was required to turn those two clubs from continually falling short to regularly putting silverware in the trophy cabinet.

Leeds, in particular, are an example of how employing the right people in the right position at the right time can turn a perpetually under achieving club into one of British Rugby League's genuine heavyweights. It's been done before and it can be done again, but it will require vison and determination with a commitment to ongoing self improvement in all aspects of the club allied to a clear plan with definable year on year preset goals leading ultimately (within a 5-8 year time span) to Hull Fc sitting at the top table (and not just as an occasional guest for dinner). Oh, and it will take a lot of sheer hard work from all concerned.

One things for sure, because of numerous mistakes too many to mention over the last six or seven years, it will not be a simple and straightforward job and it will not be completed in a year or two. However, as with any major rebuilding job, the sooner we get started the sooner we will be finished. It's harsh and it's brutal, but deep down I think we all secretly realise we are rapidly approaching a point of no return. If the people at the very top of our club don't make some tough, decisive and probably controversial decisions then we seriously could be looking at years, maybe even decades, of mid table nonentity or even worse because at the moment watching Hull Fc play feels like death by a thousand cuts.

The time for decisive action is right now, here today, because as the original poster for this thread so succintly put it Enough is Enough.'"
a good post.i just hope i am still around to see a grand transformation. k020.gif

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Quote: Chris71 "That is the main reason I held off singing up to the new DD scheme as I am no longer prepared to throw good money away after years of doing so. I am thoroughly disillusioned with the club, the performances and years of false and empty promises and am no longer prepared to sacrifice money I can use for better things just to show blind faith. Cue all the posts of you're not a true supporter.'"

If enough people do this maybe they'll get the message

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Quote: Standee "that simply isn't true, a few people seem to have an overtly positive agenda and will not hear a bad word said.
We are all fans, no more or less important than one another, some seem self-righteous, which is a shame.
Because we all want the same thing, and I believe we all know, deep down, that we're not going to win anything any time soon, and that hurts.'"
Well that just about sums you up perfectly.

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Quote: Chris71 "That is the main reason I held off singing up to the new DD scheme as I am no longer prepared to throw good money away after years of doing so. I am thoroughly disillusioned with the club, the performances and years of false and empty promises and am no longer prepared to sacrifice money I can use for better things just to show blind faith. Cue all the posts of you're not a true supporter.'"

Not from me.

The only shame is that it's AP who has to now pick up the pieces of the groundwork of the previous board and the problems that weren't addressed at the time

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Quote: ccs "Well that just about sums you up perfectly.'"

to people who are hard of thinking, I agree.

If you ever feel like a conversation feel free to come and chat, there are reasons you are where you are and I am where I am.

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Could we possibly leave out the bickering? We're all fans and we wouldn't be posting on here if we didn't care about the club. How people choose to support the club is up to them and shouldn't really be anybody else's business.

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Quote: Jake the Peg "If enough people do this maybe they'll get the message'"

I'm fairly sure Pearson's got the message already. What's debatable is what, if anything, he'll decide to about it. He's invested an awful lot of personal credibility in Radford and for that reason he may be more likely to stick with him and/or turn his wrath on the players.

That said, having bought a pass this year that I'll get precious little use out of primarily to support Pearson's investment in the club I'm having serious second thoughts about doing the same next time around. Which is a real shame.

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Quote: Standee "to people who are hard of thinking, I agree.

If you ever feel like a conversation feel free to come and chat, there are reasons you are where you are and I am where I am.'"
Oh dear - you really do know how to embarrass yourself.

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Quote: ccs "Oh dear - you really do know how to embarrass yourself.'"

really, explain, because right now, neither of us are embarrassed.

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See Kosh's post a couple above please ....

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Bickering removed

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Quote: Chris28 "See Kosh's post a couple above please ....'"
Fair comment, I must admit I didn't see it come thru'.

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