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Quote: Beanman ""So therefore, as he was signed last October and our financial year is Jan-Dec a quarter of the fee (around 35-45k) appeared in these accounts."


I would guess that they will write it off over the "4 seasons he will play" rather than the actual contract period - which in my opinion would be the correct treatment therefore there will be no charge in the figures just reportedThe accounts at companies house are small company accounts and do not show turnover (which again is quite correct) so I'm afraid someone's going to be disappointed. What is mildly interesting (well it is if you're sad like me!) is that I think they've changed auditors (haven't got last years figures to hand but I think they were audited by CBE) and I wonder if there's a reason behind this. Probably nothing more than being offered a better deal but idle speculation's far more fun than knowing the actual facts.
Final point they are still over £1,000,000 away from being able to pay a dividend so any thoughts of the shareholders using dividends to "milk" the club are wide of the mark'"


Amortisation of transfer fee's is done on a straight line basis over the life of the initial contract. Simple as.

As has been pointed out, the accounts are for Oct 2010 so the fee had only just become payable and Westerman became a Hull employee from Nov 10 onwards. The fee paid for Tansey would still have been carried at a net book value at that time though.

If they are turning over less than £6.5m they are theoretically exempt from Audit (not sure if they took the exemption).

There are far too many ways to take a slice of the cake without it being in the form of a dividend icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Mild mannered Janitor "The fee paid for Tansey would still have been carried at a net book value at that time though.'"

You're right, but value probably £15k ish? Think the fee was only £30k.

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Quote: Mrs Barista "You're right, but value probably £15k ish? Think the fee was only £30k.'"


Hence at NBV. icon_wink.gif

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Am i correct in thinking that last year was the first one when we havent had to pay off directors loans?

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Quote: Hutchie "Am i correct in thinking that last year was the first one when we havent had to pay off directors loans?'"

Rule said last year we don't owe the directors anything. In a financial sense, anyway. Obviously we owe them big time for saving our club, getting us into a sustainable financial position and winning the Challenge Cup. icon_wink.gif curtain.gif

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So therefore profits are down even more than the 50k reported?

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Quote: Hutchie "So therefore profits are down even more than the 50k reported?'"


Why would profits be down?

Paying off the loans would not hit the p/l

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Quote: Hutchie "So therefore profits are down even more than the 50k reported?'"



Only loan interest would be in the P&L

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IIRC, Leeds posted a turnover of around £10m last year. I'd expect ours to be at least half of that.

£2m from ticket sales throughout the year
£1m from merchanside
£1m from Sky rights
£1m from sponsorship
Rest from prize money, etc?

Can't be too far off.

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Quote: Wellsy13 "IIRC, Leeds posted a turnover of around £10m last year. I'd expect ours to be at least half of that.

£2m from ticket sales throughout the year
£1m from merchanside
£1m from Sky rights
£1m from sponsorship
Rest from prize money, etc?

Can't be too far off.'"


Sponsorship will be nearer 3/4 mil. imho

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Quote: Mild mannered Janitor "Why would profits be down?

Paying off the loans would not hit the p/l'"



Dont ask me , im not a bean counter icon_wink.gif

Just though if we made 250k profit per year, but then decided to pay 200k off loans, for example, so net profit is only 50k.

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Hull have once again included their players as ‘intangible assets’ on their balance sheet, placing a value of more than £1m on their playing squad, as part of total assets of £1.42m.
It is a move which auditors Sadofskys stress is not in accordance with financial reporting standards
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However, FC have always justified including players as assets due to the huge impact they have on the success of the business in terms of results on the pitch, stressing they do not impact on profits or losses shown in the accounts each year.

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Quote: salthouse red "Hull have once again included their players as ‘intangible assets’ on their balance sheet, placing a value of more than £1m on their playing squad, as part of total assets of £1.42m.
It is a move which auditors Sadofskys stress is not in accordance with financial reporting standards
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However, FC have always justified including players as assets due to the huge impact they have on the success of the business in terms of results on the pitch, stressing they do not impact on profits or losses shown in the accounts each year.

You really are quite dense, aren't you?

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Quote: salthouse red "Hull have once again included their players as ‘intangible assets’ on their balance sheet, placing a value of more than £1m on their playing squad, as part of total assets of £1.42m.
It is a move which auditors Sadofskys stress is not in accordance with financial reporting standards
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However, FC have always justified including players as assets due to the huge impact they have on the success of the business in terms of results on the pitch, stressing they do not impact on profits or losses shown in the accounts each year.

So we made a profit still, thanks for clearing that up icon_lol.gif

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Quote: salthouse red "Hull have once again included their players as ‘intangible assets’ on their balance sheet, placing a value of more than £1m on their playing squad, as part of total assets of £1.42m.
It is a move which auditors Sadofskys stress is not in accordance with financial reporting standards
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However, FC have always justified including players as assets due to the huge impact they have on the success of the business in terms of results on the pitch, stressing they do not impact on profits or losses shown in the accounts each year.


it's been irrelevant since we started doing it, which was before your shower were in SL.

I am sure if Companies House or HMRC had an issue, we'd have had a fine and changed how we do things.

Just think, your losses and debt are nearly 4 x the value of our assets!

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