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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"That's [ishort[/i sight.
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I thought it was blindness. Lucky you stopped when you did  |
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| Quote Jake the Peg="Jake the Peg"If the BOD know the fans aren't happy yet do nothing then what would you suggest that fans do?'"
...and what would you suggest the BOD do??
Sack the coach on the say so of a minority of fans? |
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| Quote airliebird9="airliebird9"...and what would you suggest the BOD do??
Sack the coach on the say so of a minority of fans?'"
I suggest they sack him because it's obvious he isn't good enough but they're not going to do that while the ££££'s keep rolling in |
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"What's 'difficult to understand' is why you think they need a stronger message sent when they get told about it all the time.
I've made no secret of the fact that I didn't want Agar appointed in the first place and that I thought his contract extension was premature at the very least. However, I don't expect the club to make decisions and take actions based purely on a knee-jerk response to complaints from fans. That way lies madness and ruin.
The BOD, for whatever reason, have decided to give Agar a chance. I disagree with them, but I'm not so arrogant as to assume that I necessarily know better or to expect them to tear up any plans they may have without giving them a chance to succeed. Unlike many on here I don't share the opinion that the BOD will be happy to see the club drift along without challenging for honours and at least making finals. Agar will live or die by our results - which is as it should be.
Posturing and demanding changes under threat of taking your ball home is not, IMO, mature or logical behavior.
=#FF0000The board need a stronger message because they aren't listening. It comes down to how much faith you have in them and is nothing to do with 'arrogance'. Looking at the board, if you ask have they shown themselves to be competent and with a knowledge how to run a financially sustainable SL club then looking at the evidence of the clubs financial position the answer is 'yes'. If you ask have they shown themselves able to create a club that is successful on the pitch then looking at the evidence (particularly since Rule came in) of our league positions, cup performances and overall playing style then the answer is 'no'. Therefore why shouldn't fans think they are well within their rights to stop buying passes if they feel they are being short-changed? You can argue the club hasn't had enough time to implement it's plans, but it's had 2 1/2 years and if that's all some fans want to give them I don't see how you can say they are wrong to feel like that.
Self-inflicted?
 Good grief - could you be any more responsibility averse? You want to claim kudos if a drop in pass sales forces a change but avoid any culpability for the inevitable adverse consequences? Talk about having your cake and eating it.
=#FF0000I made no mention of kudos?
 there's no gloating going on at all. I guess this comes down to how different you think a 'fan' is from a consumer. But if your local butcher suddenly replaced it's finest cuts of Scottish beef with tough Argentinian imported stuff and didn't even drop the price, then would you blame the customers if they stopped shopping there? Maybe you'd say they should patronise their local business regardless.
And if pass sales are not a significant and important income stream, just how do you think that a drop in numbers will 'send a strong message'? You can't have it both ways.
Your last point is essentially opening up our income to the effects of random chance. Hardly good business planning.
=#FF0000There is a difference between 'significant and important income stream' and 'the only income stream', as I'm sure you well understand.
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The idea that a drop in pass sales this year could damage the club financially is a red herring IMO, last years sales were a record high so unless the board are idiots they won't have set the club up to rely on the same every year. What is does represent is a missed opportunity for the club to keep those newcomers on board.
I really don't care what phrases others may have used.
The downsides are too serious to be messing about with,
=#FF0000This is a fair viewpoint.
it looks immature and petulant,
=#FF0000This is just being silly.
and the 'logic' behind it is faulty in any case
=#FF0000I'm still waiting for you to explain how.
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| Quote FC Wembley 08="FC Wembley 08"I do agree with you there. [uThe only issue i have is that i think people are a bit crazy if they expected last year to be 'our year'[/u. Many people on here, (i think you also) and myself included, wanted to finish in the playoffs. We hoped for more but i was just happy to see a marked improvement.
=#FF0000I wonder where they could have got that idea from, what with all the 'Season of Promise' bollox from the club.
I genuinely think the performances will come good but maybe failure is in the back of the players minds and slowly we will get that confidence back. i was at the KC last night and alot of the players and coaching staff made alot of sense. So much attention to detail goes in that you don't realise how difficult it is to win games and how much work goes in.[u Lasty, Agar and Webbo have so much to do and spoke so 'in depth' about their roles it's hard to appreciate the jobs they do! |
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| Quote Jake the Peg="Jake the Peg"I suggest they sack him because it's obvious he isn't good enough but they're not going to do that while the ££££'s keep rolling in'"
I honestly don't see where is 'it's obvious he's not good enough' talk comes from!! Our problems run deeper than just the coach. I've said before, it will take time to correct the problems of previous bad management, and sometimes you need to hit rock bottom to come back up to the top. This is where the fans come in to support the club as much as possible. We are on the up, the players (ie Joe Westerman last night) know it's a massive club (and came because it's a massive club), but know there has been bad management before, they know we have the ability to win things but it's a longer process then saying 'go out there lads, play amazing rugby and sweep up the competition'.
As i said, alot more detail goes into the game than i imagined and i think Rich does an excellent job. We are yet to be proved right or wrong until his long term plan starts to come to fruition but i'll back him until we go backwards under his management!! |
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| Quote FC Wembley 08="FC Wembley 08"I honestly don't see where is 'it's obvious he's not good enough' talk comes from!! Our problems run deeper than just the coach. I've said before, it will take time to correct the problems of previous bad management, and sometimes you need to hit rock bottom to come back up to the top. This is where the fans come in to support the club as much as possible. We are on the up, the players (ie Joe Westerman last night) know it's a massive club (and came because it's a massive club), but know there has been bad management before, they know we have the ability to win things but it's a longer process then saying 'go out there lads, play amazing rugby and sweep up the competition'.
As i said, alot more detail goes into the game than i imagined and i think Rich does an excellent job. We are yet to be proved right or wrong until his long term plan starts to come to fruition but i'll back him until we go backwards under his management!!'"
This 'previous bad management' line from the club goes way too far IMO. It is a fact that under Kear and Sharp we made some really poor decisions in terms of recruitment and retention, ultimately leading to us having far too many average/utility players in the squad and not enough quality individuals. Despite this, in 2005 we won the CC, in 2006 we got to the GF, in 2007 we finished 4th and won a playoff game before narrowly going out to Wigan. Those are the facts, anything else is just rhetoric from the club.
I really don't think things were anywhere near as bad as what is made out, certainly not to the extent that we needed to endure 2 1/2 years of this dross under Agar to try and 'rectify' it. |
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| Quote Jake the Peg="Jake the Peg"So anyone who decides not to renew their pass due to the style of rugby is, by inference, stupid?
Why did your dad not renew?'"
Not what I said. I said anyone who wants to see pass sales drop and the club to lose money in order to make some silly point about Agar is stupid. If people are bored of the rugby and don't want to buy a pass then that is entirely their choice and would not be labelled stupid by me.
My dad has several reasons, partly bored with rugby in general and also personal reasons. |
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| Quote PAUL M="PAUL M"Not what I said. I said anyone who wants to see pass sales drop and the club to lose money in order to make some silly point about Agar is stupid. If people are bored of the rugby and don't want to buy a pass then that is entirely their choice and would not be labelled stupid by me.
My dad has several reasons, partly bored with rugby in general and also personal reasons.'"
I struggle to see the difference though?
Whether people are doing it with the purposeful intention of hoping to force the board to sack Agar or whether they are simply so unhappy with the rugby he serves up that they don't buy another pass... it amounts to the same thing since both groups are likely to return once Agar has been dismissed? |
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