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| Quote: Mrs Barista "Huddersfield's choice to accomodate Brough, Drew, Robinson and Brown vs ours of Long and Horne is interesting. Much more depth in the creative department there.'"
Hit the nail on the head,not enough players who can think for themselves
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| Quote: Kosh "It's based on the evidence of his size and performances ever since he broke into the first team. He doesn't have the power, weight, or work-rate to make it as a second row in the modern game.'"
I disagree with power, weight i agree he would be light weight for a 2nd row but i find it really difficult to write his work rate off without seeing him play in the back row. Centres are involved generally when the ball finds them. That can make Yeamo look like he isnt involved but whenever he gets the chance he gets involved and scoots.
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| Quote: Big Dave T "Compare theirs though to ours of
I beg to differ - if we're including fullbacks and hookers, Hudds have:
Hodgson
Brough
Drew
Robinson
Brown
Lunt
Faiumu
if you think that's the creative equivalent of our pivots, you're a loon.
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| Quote: Big Dave T "I disagree with power, weight i agree he would be light weight for a 2nd row but i find it really difficult to write his work rate off without seeing him play in the back row. Centres are involved generally when the ball finds them. That can make Yeamo look like he isnt involved but whenever he gets the chance he gets involved and scoots.'"
Good centres go looking for the ball. They anticipate and back up plays and half-breaks. Yeaman rarely does this. The reason why he looks like he isn't involved is because he often isn't.
He does his fair share in defence and in scooting to give the forwards a break, but that's a world away from the work he'd need to get through in the 2nd row. And lack of weight = lack of power. It's all about momentum.
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| Quote: Kosh "Good centres go looking for the ball.'"
Bingo. Last centre we had that did that was Sid.
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| Quote: Big Dave T "I disagree with power, weight i agree he would be light weight for a 2nd row but i find it really difficult to write his work rate off without seeing him play in the back row. Centres are involved generally when the ball finds them. That can make Yeamo look like he isnt involved but whenever he gets the chance he gets involved and scoots.'"
He was very innefective yesterday when running the ball in. He seemed to get dominated pretty much every time
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| Quote: Kosh "Good centres go looking for the ball. They anticipate and back up plays and half-breaks. Yeaman rarely does this. The reason why he looks like he isn't involved is because he often isn't.'"
Perfectly summed up. The likes of Leuluai, Evans and Schofield scored loads of tries in the centre of the field by supporting the half breaks of others - anticipating what was going to happen.
Can't remember the last time I left a game thinking how outstanding Yeaman was and how he'd swayed the game in our favour. When was the last time he was MOM either sponsor's or on here ?
A decent player but not top quality and I doubt he would last in the pack because he is a bit too small.
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| Quote: Kosh "Good centres go looking for the ball. They anticipate and back up plays and half-breaks. Yeaman rarely does this. The reason why he looks like he isn't involved is because he often isn't.
He does his fair share in defence and in scooting to give the forwards a break, but that's a world away from the work he'd need to get through in the 2nd row. And lack of weight
The lack of this in several positions is a problem we've had for a few years now, and Yeaman's part of it. Our support play for the last few seasons has consisted of Horne, whoever was at fullback, and now Long. The better sides also tend to have all the 3/4's and hooker too, and even backrowers. I'm still not sure whether the problem lies with coaching, laziness, or just a simple lack of vision to see the opportunities until it's too late.
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "I beg to differ - if we're including fullbacks and hookers, Hudds have:
Hodgson
Brough
Drew
Robinson
Brown
Lunt
Faiumu
if you think that's the creative equivalent of our pivots, you're a loon.
Tansey - Hodgson
Brown - R Horne
Brough - Long
Robinson - Berro
For me we win 3 out of those 4 one on one battles.
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| Quote: Staffs FC "Perfectly summed up. The likes of Leuluai, Evans and Schofield scored loads of tries in the centre of the field by supporting the half breaks of others - anticipating what was going to happen.
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Would it be a fair observation though to say that the game is far more structured now then it was back then? (meaning the outside backs scoot and then stay in position for set moves)
I dont recall games been played at the times of the players you mention restricting certain players through structure.
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| Quote: Big Dave T "Would it be a fair observation though to say that the game is far more structured now then it was back then? (meaning the outside backs scoot and then stay in position for set moves)
I dont recall games been played at the times of the players you mention restricting certain players through structure.'"
Why is nothing ever Yeaman's fault? First it was all down to Cooke leaving and now he's 'restricted' by structure? Why do these 'restrictions' not stop other SL centres? Or for that matter Hall when he plays and Briscoe on Yeaman's wing?
Yeaman has huge gaps in the skill set required of a centre, but for some reason he gets away with it when others with fewer flaws get flogged. It's a puzzle.
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| Quote: carl_spackler "The lack of this in several positions is a problem we've had for a few years now, and Yeaman's part of it. Our support play for the last few seasons has consisted of Horne, whoever was at fullback, and now Long. The better sides also tend to have all the 3/4's and hooker too, and even backrowers. I'm still not sure whether the problem lies with coaching, laziness, or just a simple lack of vision to see the opportunities until it's too late.'"
Think it's a combination of issues, but the main one for me is lack of rugby smarts. We have too many players who just don't have RL brains, although the situation has improved this season.
I guess having a duff or no Scrum Half with the subsequent lack of opportunities may also have discouraged back up play. Maybe we'll eventually adjust now that we have some creativity to feed off.
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| Quote: Kosh "Why is nothing ever Yeaman's fault? First it was all down to Cooke leaving and now he's 'restricted' by structure? Why do these 'restrictions' not stop other SL centres? Or for that matter Hall when he plays and Briscoe on Yeaman's wing?
Yeaman has huge gaps in the skill set required of a centre, but for some reason he gets away with it when others with fewer flaws get flogged. It's a puzzle.'"
BDT has a valid point regards the changing structure of the teams compared to yesteryear, hell Steve Evans spent most of his time in the opposition attacking line waiting for the interception!
I am also struggling to remember when for example I have seen Senior pop up on the right hand side for Leeds or Gidley on the left at Saints because players do play down their particular channels nowadays.
That said I do agree about Yeamans lack of 'flair' in the attacking department but I also think defensively he is still one of the best and also an excellent finisher from close in with good ball.
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| Quote: Big Dave T "Tansey - Hodgson
Brown - R Horne
Brough - Long
Robinson - Berro
For me we win 3 out of those 4 one on one battles.'"
Ahahahaha
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| Quote: knocker norton "I am also struggling to remember when for example I have seen Senior pop up on the right hand side for Leeds or Gidley on the left at Saints because players do play down their particular channels nowadays.'"
And yet I can regularly remember them getting MOM awards and basically winning games for their teams with outstanding displays. I can remember them being on the shoulder of players making half breaks. And I can remember them defending equally as well if not better than Yeaman on a regular basis.
What I can't remember is the last time Yeaman won a MOM award with a 'head and shoulders above everyone else' performance. I can remember both Turner and Whiting doing so even as 'fill-in' centres.
As it happens I think Yeaman is an OK player but no better than that. I don't know why his place in the team appears to be automatic because I don't think his performances warrant it.
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