Most players will lay on at the start of matches and test how long they can lay one for................. its always gone on that and creeping up on the ten metres testing the ref. He gives either a warning or a penalty then everyone knows the tolerances and usually abide by them. Trouble is now its an art from with wrestling coaches employed by clubs to improve the length of time they can keep opposition players on the deck.

Some teams are really good at it and have been for some time, Huddesfield for example are masters at it. To a lessor degree so are London its part of the game now and some refs pick up on it others do not, the majority seem to be the latter of late.

Now if the refs are allowing it then we have to get wiser and get a coach in to teach them the same tricks, as it appears most teams do now do it to some extent or other.

For the record I do not like it and I think it should be an area that is tightened up, but its not going to happen now is it, because Cummings is going to back up his refs 100%.

The teams that are breaking the law are all trained by AUSSIE coaches

Wrestling is for WWW Raw not rugby league

Yup, but dont talk about that, Wigan fans are happy to win at all costs, see the cheating of the 80's for evidence.

They're not breaking the law, they're playing to the ref. Hull were trying to do the same but the mistake they were making was trying to turn the attacking player onto their backs when he had already found the floor on his front.

Maybe you need to get yourself an Aussie coach or a coach who has been trained in Australia, at least until the RFL decides to crack down on it.



I'd pretty much agree with all of that although I'd say the key to good wrestling technique is not how long you can keep a player on the deck but how long you can keep a player off the deck.

Well said. Too much room for interpretation now. There's a set of laws just stick to them. Would have thought that would be easier for the refs than not.

Because the teams that a wrestling well now are playing to the refs, if the refs cut the amount of time allowed in a tackle these teams would adjust to it without any problems. FWIW I think they should

Perhaps all this moral high ground is a bit rich from someone whose supporters booed every tackle we made just to pressurise the ref.

I am no more responsible for some of my fans doing that than you are of some of the idiots who give your club a bad (unfair might I add) reputation, fact.

And besides. fans do that at every ground in the country mate, the Southstanders at Leeds are probably the worst for it but they aren't employed by the club so good luck to em, referees should be professional enough not to listen. I shout at my own players when they're messing around at the play the ball, I absolutely hate it. Agar is a coach and should know better its bad enough in football with manager's either saying things to refs at halftime or criticising them in the press, players aren't allowed to do it so its hardly setting a good example or creating the right mentality for the players. Daniel Anderson, Ian Millward, Justin Morgan, Brian Mclennan etc have showed in the past that moaning about refs gets you nowhere, Agar should learn from it.

I for one do not want a Aussie coach I want to see a English coach.. To coach English players to kick the ar-es of the Aussies

If an English coach can do that then thats all well and good mate, the majority of fans want the same.

One which your club, unfairly might I add, well and truly shares.