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| Quote: Mild Rover "Tbf, i’m happy using ‘alternatives’, which some people object to, believing it should only ever be singlular because of its Latin root. Language evolves and is all about common usage. i’d also defend my dialectical heritage passionately.
Could of been, borrow me, learnt me... there is a line. 
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| Quote: Mild Rover "Oops - wish i’d seen it coming and not walked unknowingly into the trap.
Right here’s my stab at Hull FC. Please correct any mistakes - they’re unintentional, I swear. I couldn’t find any evidence that Bobby Tyson-Wilson, Reece Dean or Ross Osborne ever played for your first team, but you may know better. Interesting to look through your old squads for some of the oddities that i’d forgotten. Tom Biggs, for example. Anyway...
You’ll be unsurprised to see it is rather better in relative terms. I’d be curious on your thoughts on it in absolute terms - would you be happy/satisfied with similar over the coming 5 years?
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Bobby did play first team. So did a few others. I'm fairly sure I've also missed some so don't worry about it mate! 
2012 Tom Lineham (6icon_cool.gif, Chris Green (12icon_cool.gif, Liam Kent (12)
2015 Bobby Tyson Wilson (2) Challenge cup v Sheffield Eagles, Super League v Salford.
2016 Jack Downs (20) (NOT 2015)
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "I am nearly on holiday. Do you say day-ta, or dah-ta? I'm pretty sure the Romans used the latter if we're doing tradition'"
Same way I say tomato - correctly. ![]()
Cheers. Wikipedia (not the most reliable source, I know), had Lineham, Green and Kent down as 2011 debuts. Or maybe it refers to the first year they got a squad number or something. I saw Kent play a couple of times (Wiki only credits him with seven games, iirc), and thought he looked promising. Lineham had played 20 times for York before joining, according to Wiki, and i’ve seen Rovers’ homegrown players’ credentials questioned for a lot less than that.
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2012: Bowden (132), Green (12icon_cool.gif, Lineham (6icon_cool.gif*, Crooks (51), Kent (12), Cunningham (10), Jack Briscoe (1)
2013: Shaul (150), Hadley (83)
2014: Abdull (54), Harry Tyson-Wilson (1)
2015: Fash (55), Matongo (49), Logan (3icon_cool.gif, Turgut (30), Lancaster (7), Bobby Tyson-Wilson (2)
2016: Downs (20).
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Amended list for Hull.
2012: Bowden (132), Green (12icon_cool.gif, Lineham (6icon_cool.gif*, Crooks (51), Kent (12), Cunningham (10), Jack Briscoe (1)
2013: Shaul (150), Hadley (83)
2014: Abdull (54), Harry Tyson-Wilson (1)
2015: Fash (55), Matongo (49), Logan (3icon_cool.gif, Turgut (30), Lancaster (7), Bobby Tyson-Wilson (2)
2016: Downs (20).
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| Quote: Mild Rover "Cheers. Wikipedia (not the most reliable source, I know), had Lineham, Green and Kent down as 2011 debuts. Or maybe it refers to the first year they got a squad number or something. I saw Kent play a couple of times (Wiki only credits him with seven games, iirc), and thought he looked promising. Lineham had played 20 times for York before joining, according to Wiki, and i’ve seen Rovers’ homegrown players’ credentials questioned for a lot less than that.
Bobby Tyson-Wilson doesn’t even have a Wiki page, as far as I can see.'"
Lineham played for York but did at least one full season in our academy. We used to go and watch him quite a lot. There's no credentials to question there. If I pointed out that Westerman or Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook counted because they played for our academy - that would be questionable. Although I'm quite sure they're only decent players because of that fact!  Didn't Watts play for either our or your academy too?
And as an aside, I thought Turgut was starting to look a real player just before Salford got rid. Which makes what's happened an even bigger tragedy. | | |
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| Quote: Raggytash "Lineham played for York but did at least one full season in our academy. We used to go and watch him quite a lot. There's no credentials to question there. If I pointed out that Westerman or Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook counted because they played for our academy - that would be questionable. Although I'm quite sure they're only decent players because of that fact! ![]()
Yeah, I think quibbling about the definition for defunct rule is a bit daft. I’m interested in the comparison because this has been one of several problems for us in putting together competitive squads. Whether Will Oakes having been with Wakefield until he was 16 means he isn’t one of our own is much less interesting to me than whether he can become a top-10 winger in SL over the next couple of years, for example.
For some it’s a competition in of itself though, and you do get different views on who counts, and they’re often partisan. Liam Watts played one game as 16-year old for Cas against amateur opposition and so was discounted as a Rovers product by some despite fully meeting the official criteria. Westerman’s time in Hull’s youth ranks was occasionally flagged by hull fans, but usually only Rovers fans mention Abdull was with us before switching to Hull.
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Quote: RFL Salary Cap Rules "A club Trained Player is a player who has been on the Club's register for any 3 full Seasons
before the end of the Season in which he ceases to be eligable to play at Under 21 level.
For the avoidance of doubt, any time spent on the Register of another Club on Loan shall be
counted towards the 3 full Seasons, unless otherwise determined by the RFL.'"
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| Quote: ccs "In case anyone is wondering....
If you want to know the definition of Under 21's then look it up!'"
Ahhh, I had forgotten it was carried over or was adopted as part of the salary cap rules, having been dropped from the quota rules. Those rules are so opaque that I can’t really be bothered with them. Also the dispensations are not generally relevant to Rovers!
What I mean is that the details of how we bring players in don’t matter all that much to me, other than how well it works. If bringing in (cherry picking) players like Kristian Bell, Liam Watts, Will Oakes or Will Dagger works, i’m happy with it. Same goes for doing better more locally. And if it doesn’t work, why not? The RFL’s Byzantine system of incentives - it changes faster than clubs can adapt to it anyway. The suspicion being that is because it adapts to reward whatever situation certain clubs find themselves in - central contracts and all that. | | |
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| Quote: Mild Rover "Same way I say tomato - correctly. ![]()
Just a bit of fun mate, you know that, there is a post on the Rovers forum, that is comedy gold, the hatred of all things Hull is great, loads of post when we lose then nothing when we win, Connor needs to be sold, Hull getting all the decisions, Pearson leaving and saying we were full strength against Warrington and saying it should be an easy win in a mocking way (That backfired). I love reading some of the things on there, would love to post but I'd better banned straight away, as nothing can be challenged from a fan of another club.
Back on topic, agree with you, forwards we always seem to produce, but backs and particulary halfbacks just don't seem to kick on, I really thought one of Dean and HTW would make it.
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501 |
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