At least the cycle of hope and despair is real and tangible.
More the [iAlamo[/i than an [iIvory tower[/i.

He can go for me. Unfit, questionable attitude and misses lots of games. Yes he's given us some great performances but it aint 2017 anymore. Frees up loads of cap space too.

Who ?

To be honest think I'd get rid of all the players left from 2017 apart from fash and maybe lane

Houghton, taylor, Carlos, Griffin especially need gone

All 4 either past it or injury prone most likely picking up 500,000 in wages together

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0cw0 ... are-mobile About 10 minutes in. Very interesting listen. Pearson upbeat about the future as well. Onwards and upwards.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0cw0 ... are-mobile About 10 minutes in. Very interesting listen. Pearson upbeat about the future as well. Onwards and upwards.

Can’t see that being the case this time though

I think the players have nowhere to hide next season .

This time we have an experienced head coach who has been there and done that won things and managed the national side too. While Smith may still make some errors as nobody is perfect the power is with him this time.

Who are these players, are we saying they didn't try and if so did Hodgson keep selecting them?

For me it was the nucleus of predominantly Hull born players that I felt most let down by. Taylor, Shaul, Bowden, Griffin too.

Some of the efforts, or lack of, really stuck with me this season.

Shaul against Leeds at home.
Taylor against Cas at home
Griffin against Saints away

Bowden was anonymous for the last 2 seasons.

These are 4 senior players that should've been driving the standards. My feeling is they are the ones who've let this 'apathy culture' manifest.

I know Houghton gets some stick, he i got the feelibg he does try but he's well past his peak and shouldn't have been renewed.

I agree with that. It isn't a lack of effort from Houghton, it is more a lack of energy.

You need your senior players to drive the standards, and for me, Griffin and Taylor have abused this position, promoted apathy within the group, and this has filtered down to players like Lane, who had his worst season since breaking into the first team

If Houghton is used properly like how saints interchange Roby with Lussick then he could still add value to our team, it was Hodgsons reluctance to spell him that has led to his performances dropping off.