Personally I don't think Thorman has been your sole problem this year, just that he had a couple of bad games and became the scape goat for all the ills and unless he is outstanding he will be the main reason you 've lost games this year.

A half back behind a defeated pack will always struggle even the best would, so an average one like Thorman will look awful. Webster may have offered a better kicking game but still think he'd have struggled and being our ex captain he would have become the scape goat even quicker.

Thorman has lost his confidence and as such looks a bag of nerves and isn't playing well, I personallly think if you'd had Shaun Long in this year he'd have struggled badly. (not a dig at Longy by the way cos behind a better pack you should have next year he'll go well).

I prefer balance myself and as Moa and Lauaki are both classed as impact props I would rather have them paired with a workhorse type prop.

That is something that worry me greatyly, Long is good in a good side, but he is more than capable of disappearing when the chips are down, how will he manage behind a beaten pack, in a side poorly coached, with sub-standard tactics?

Why do you think that we'll have a beaten pack next season?

got it in one mate, you are not the only one.

Wheres the pro KC group now?

If average coaches dont make players bad, Saints would have hired a dog to replace Anderson, and Leeds would have hired Dick Cheney to replace Smith instead of splashing out on the NZ coach

Here!

If you're seriously contending that we'd be playing better in a heap than we are now, then you really are deluded

We wouldn't still be at The Boulevard as we'dve gone out of business by now.

I feel obliged to point out that I have no desire to actually go back to the Boulevard, the KC is a great stadium, it's just been let down by the home teams playing there recently!

It was more a comment about the comittment of the side.

Totally agree. Great coaches turn players into better players. Just look at the likes of Man Utd for example, the players they bring in are usually already good but they turn them into even better players.

Have you not read any of his other posts?

As a matter of interest before this season what has Mick Potter won as a coach ?

The admiration of many for coaching a side to the top 3 in superleague?

Nothing then.