Paul you are right matey, I mean look at Wire's new signing Dr Dolittle, mind you he does more than talk to the animals.

When you look at the 2006 Hull GF team with 9 homegrown players, your production line looked like one to really envy. 4 of those have moved on, as have Lee and Hall without so far really fulfilling their potential. Radford and Horne are showing signs of age and wear and tear, while Yeaman, Whiting and Washbrook seem to have stood still. Houghton and T.Briscoe show Hull can still produce top class players, but not currently at a rate to match those departing or fading. Whether they are the tail end of the last golden generation or herald the arrival of a new one, only time will tell...

I actaully quoted your statement which said that our academy didn't bring in first team regulars. I found facts which contradicted that and now you're having trouble to actually find anything against those facts. Can't you just leave the facts do the talking, or will you still keep trying to argue against them?

No deal for JJP at Wakey www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague ... field.html

No deal for JJP at Wakey www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague ... field.html

Jessie Joe looks like an interesting type of player but if Wakey lost patience due to red tape I'm guessing if anyone else shows an interest in him over here he would have to re-apply all over again.

I still find it strange that the club seem to think 2010's was 'mass recruitment'. Even including Tansey and Lauaki's late 2009 arrivals, we only brought in 6 players from outside the club. If we are still hoping for another before the season starts that's 3, so 6 wasn't that many more.

I think it was in terms of player turn around, not just recruitment, and in key areas throughout the team.

Can't see him going anywhere with Cunningham's retirement.

You engaged in wordplay in order to try and detract from the overall point I was making. If you think that's 'letting the facts do the talking' then I'm glad you're not my MP

Still don't agree with it though. Of the 6, one is a fringe player, 3 are forwards, only 2 are in key positions in the possible disruptive sense. We seem to be being sold 2010 as a huge recruitment drive that negates the need for much more this year, when it really wasn't.

I think where people are disagreeing is that you seem to be placing the responsibility of first team performances with the academy coaches. IMO we have had many players who have shown promise in their early SL appearances but not improved enough to become regulars. That's down to the first team coaching, you can't fairly blame the academy coaching staff for youngsters not kicking on after they have handed them over.

Give it up mate.

Agree with this, weren't our youngsters good enough to reach 3 grand finals at their respective level, winning 2 of them. That to me that suggests they were good enough against their peers. Yet as you say they haven't kicked on at senior level, the fault lies with the senior coaching staff IMO

I take your point but I said at the start of this discussion that there's a difference between excelling at academy level and being ready for the step-up to SL and I think the academy should at least be called into question for that.

Besides, if I'm blamed Agar for these players not developing the very same posters would be queing up to disagree with me.