I've seen enough to know he isn't a world class halfback, he's average, and that is being generous.

It seems many FC fans have only really seen us in Super League, they don't remember what a joy it was to have players like Entat and Mackey, Hasler et al. TRUE halfbacks. (and I am sure IanP/cod'ead will provide memories of even better players from before them)

He isn't crap, then.

How many TRUE halfbacks are around, available and are as good as the halfbacks from back in the good old days?

Yeah, and none of the current Manchester United team is good enough because they used to have George Best and Bobby Charlton playing for them.....

very few, but that doesn't mean suddenly my expectations change, too many people accept mediocrity in too many things.

Where did anyone say he was world class? How many world class halfbacks are there in SL?

Times have changed, the game has changed. What's the point comparing and going backwards all those years.

Indeed, the game has changed, and not for the better.

How many world class half backs are actually playing the game at all? Seymour is good enough for us to be challenging and winning things IF he gets the right partner.

I think what I'm alluding to with Dykes is, win ratios aside (which, as we know, don't tell the whole story), he had a look of inventiveness about him. There was a feeling when he got the ball that something good might happen. He was playing in a rubbish side, under a rubbish coach and could hardly string two games together, but the underlying class was there. Seymour doesn't have that, IMO. He's a decent, steady player, but he'll never be anything more than that. I think most of the players you mentioned earlier add more than he does to their respective sides. Myler and Lomax, for example, at least have a running game. That said, I do take the point that a class stand off alongside him would make the world of difference. The only challenge is finding such an animal.

Whilst I can agree that you could see an element of class in Dykes, I just think you're being overly critical of Seymour. It's worth noting that over the past few games we have largely gone away from committing runners as we had started to earlier in the season, so a fair bit of the time Seymour hasn't actually had much of a decision to make but is being criticised for taking the wrong options. If he had more than one player waiting to receive the ball most of the time I'd think this criticism was more valid.

Also, it wasn't actually me who brought up Myler and Lomax etc. If you want my opinion though, Myler has nothing other than a running game as a halfback, he is no more than a poor man's Danny McGuire. In a straight choice between the 2 I would take Seymour every time without hesitation.

are you in the pub by any chance

Deffo in the pub

not at all, my opinion is that the game isn't as good as it was from a spectators point of view in the 80's it's priced beyond it's appeal and Eddie and Stevo have put me ff watching on Sky.