More chance of City winning the Prem then we have of being a top 4 side with the Chuckle Brothers running the show.

Most of those players dont have the ability to play at anywhere near the standard Saints can so for those players yes effort is enough. How many people trot out the usual "I dont mind losing if the effort was there" only to then complain when we get beat by a better team despite the players putting the effort in.

I dont think the gulf in class is there that lots of people have said about. I also think that a good team can beat a team full of class individuals. Effort may have been there but sadly an idea of how to play good rugby wasnt. Im not blaming the players for that.

Which is why they still deserve applause IMO.

Agree to disagree.

before last night Saints had only beaten us twice at the KC, once was a protest over Kear the other a narrow win last season after we ditched Sharp.

they have the same salary cap to spend, have a crap ground to maintain and smaller crowds.

why is it that they are light years away from us? and even more worryingly why are some of our fans just happy to accept were rubbish and never going to trouble Saints?

I felt Saints were very much in 3rd gear last night, whilst our display is unfortunately the best Agar and the players can come up with

yes when playing a team as good as saints are, and we were still in it for 37 mins of the first half and they put sum effort in in the second half too.

Players who play one of the toughest sports in the world for the team you love give 80 minutes of effort and commitment and they dont deserve you banging yours hands together for 30 seconds? Yep we will agree to disagree on that one

I dont get the context of using things like 'vs a team like saints'

Shouldnt they be saying 'going to KC playing a team like Hull'

Not saying there was no effort, but not applauding it. It's right they applaud us for fecking turning up and staying though

We were lacking in execution. But I didn't think we played badly and it wasn't a 30-6 game imo. We showed a bit of spirit defending our line for once. We tried to offload the ball more. Thorman responded well to an awful performance against Leeds. We tried a few new things such as the cross field kick for Calderwood, the try was a really smart piece of play and imo until the try were Tony let the ball bounce we were well in the game. We were just beaten by the best side in the league (comfortably the best side in the league), there is no shame in that. If we play like that for the rest of the year we will make the playoffs imo. We need Manu back and Luaki here soon though because we do lack penetration.

You're right, 36-6 may have been a more reflective score if our new scrum 1/2 had his kicking boots on. 6 tries to 1 at home is a drubbing by anyone's standards