TS is trying to get rid of the divas and pub trainers so it’s a definite No
to Newman and Westerman.
The likes of griffin was also a pub trainer.
Said this before wigan & saints are the template, they ship this type of player out.
Even our beloved dobbins are learning this. I know fans are desperate but we don’t want those type of players at our club.

It sure does - been away for a few weeks, came back expecting some positivity on the recruitment front, but reading that list even 10th in the league looks a bit ambitious!. Really disappointed.
Why are we still hanging on to our 4 tiny tots ?
Why are we hanging on to our clueless/tackle shy RH edge?
A new hooker ? (obviously in the too hard basket).
Scrum half ? What happened?
No real quality, no leader, it really looks like poor/ lazy/easy option recruitment. Hope i'm wrong & Adam announces two or three gems before the pass sales are announced or he'll have hell of a job moving them.
After the positivity generated last close season - recruiting Smith -2 good halves (at last) - huge clearout (at last). But this close season retention & recruitment wise is turning into a real dogs breakfast.

You can't just get rid of players, it costs money, we don't have money and if we did I'd rather we use it to sign players, rather than pay players off, also what message does that send, come to Hull, underperform and get a nice little payoff to travel Europe.

So far I think our recruitment has been OK, got some size and power, added depth to fullback and halfback, the big issue is, I'm not sure if would be enough to move us onto the next level and we are losing (or lost) some quality in Swift, Griffin, Savelio (lesser that the others) and Clifford.
Satae has been replaced, maybe Savelio, but not the other three. If we brought in McMeeken, Mcgilvary and Volkman plus the others, I don't think we would be in too bad a position.

Some players moving clubs may still be involved in the playoffs and for what ever reason , Player or club might not want the distraction till after the comp has concluded . This has happened before .

Rome wasn't built in a day. We have been rubbish the last few years. It's not the case of waving a magic wand. Smith knows its a massive job to get us back challenging. He's said on numerous occasions it's not a quick fix. He's started the clear out and made some positive signings. This will continue next year. We have to give him time. We have been shouting out for change. Well that change is happening. Maybe not at the pace some want but unfortunately that's the position we are in

Any realistic signings from those sides in the play offs; Wigan, Sts, Cats, Leigh, Rovers, Warrington/Salford?

There are not many I can see us being interested in (that would be interested in coming to us):

Wigan - Shorrocks, Hampshire, Cust
Cats - Davies & McMeeken (very unrealistic)
Leigh - Kai O'Donnell
Salford - Ackers?

Not much really

Have to say there not much that can be argued about many of your points.

Think it was and has been said by the majority of fans that after the last 4 years it was more important than ever that the club got the retention and recruitment right and they have to.

Looking at the comparative lists, the 2024 squad certainly looks weaker overall so far but there is still time before the squad is completed for pre season but think its fair to say patience has worn very thin with the fanbase.

We've addressed the lack of size in the front row releasing Griffin and Savelio gone even with Okunbor coming in we have very little in terms of 2nd row, hooker or the halves and still a lack of a player or players that have leadership qualities. I'd also say there are some question marks with centre and wing spots as Swift is and will be a big loss and Carlos starting to miss more games. For me there's a lot more questions than answers.

Admittedly its a big rebuild and not an overnight one but considering the length of the time the club have known who and how many players we had OOC at the end of the season if the club don't manage to add another 3 or 4 quality players it will be disappointing. So its to be hoped that AP & TS have planned well and pull a few rabbits out the hat or it will certainly be a failure and disappointing in terms of recruitment if we end up weaker moving in to next season.

With the way that yet again the team gave up the season weeks ago its hardly inspiring fans to once again dig deep other than out of habit or blind loyalty. Right now I feel very little affinity to the club I have followed and supported for 44yrs due to the succession of poor performances/seasons/end of seasons and the lack of any real communication/interaction from the club to its fanbase, it actually feels as though the only time the club is interested in the fans is at renewal time.

Interesting piece in the examiner re Cas and cutting their costs for next season [url=https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/castleford-tigers-players-squad-changes-27734850here[/url

Seems Cas are now facing the same issues as ourselves following poor recruitment and excessive deals during the Radford tenures at both clubs.

One thing in Carlos’ defence. We all thought griffin was done last season post Achilles but this year he played pretty well. It’s a tough injury to get over but hopefully next season we can see Carlos hit his straps one more time before he likely calls it a day.

Salford are a team of left overs and keep performing well so hopefully a hull side with no big names will do the same

Exactly this. Have we moved too slowly or is it a case of simply not having enough cash.

Like most I am underwhelmed by our recruitment so far but I'll reserve judgement until it's complete.

Still can't understand why Tindall and Ainsworth have yet to be announced. Everyone knows they have signed so why delay.

It's not like the fans are going to giddy with excitement when it happens or the difference between renewing or not.

Tindall, Ashworth, Walker and Morgan Smith still have contracts with other clubs. An agreement will have to be made by both clubs of when to announce.

Huddersfield announced earlier today that Ashworth would be leaving as he's signed a deal with another club.