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| An absolute farce of a decision. But given the RFL don’t do logic, I’d say it was very predictable they’d choose a venue that first of all didn’t suit all four teams involved and secondly didn’t make the most of the chance to get as many supporters in as possible.
Castleford are getting more fans into the Jungle than we’re going to have for a Challenge Cup semi final at Leigh. What’s the rationale behind that?
The lucky fans who are able to get a ticket will get the chance to watch two matches I assume, one of which doesn’t even involve the team they support. All this while there’ll be hundreds, or even thousands more fans, unable to get in to see their team.
Think of a venue they could’ve picked, geographically and one where they could’ve maximised fan attendance and I think you’ll be hard pushed to find a more bizarre choice.
Absolutely bonkers the people are running our game. No wonder we’ve developed into a tin pot sport.
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| Quote: Airlie Street "Crazy how people are moaning about venue size / allocation of tickets. We haven't been to a game of live rugby for over a year, be thankful 600 from each team are able to go, the games less than a month away and there are still restrictions in place, have some perspective.
Unless you know about the availability and cost of each individual venue and the demands from the BBC I'd say everything else is just pure speculation based on little more than frustration that you might not get a ticket.'"
Well Headingley must have been fairly cheap as they used it for most matches
The reason people are moaning is they've waited 15 months to go to a game and now vast majority of pass holders won't be able to go due to a joke of a allocation, that's the thanks the fans get who paid they're pass money for nothing
3,000 capacity is OK.....? For a semi final between 4 teams You having a laugh
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| I agree our ground is too small when it's 10k or 25% of the capacity. But surely it should be 1200 fans from each club, then after the 1st S/F all fans must leave. it just doesn't make sense. I guess if the pitch at Wigan Athletics ground wasn't being relaid, the semi's would have been held there. And they have 2 trains stations, we have none.
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| I would say the reason Headingley is not considered, is because Yorkshire have a CC fixture there on that weekend. As for other Football stadia, perhaps pitch maintenance is a factor.
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| Quote: Thetalentboy "Well Headingley must have been fairly cheap as they used it for most matches
The reason people are moaning is they've waited 15 months to go to a game and now vast majority of pass holders won't be able to go due to a joke of a allocation, that's the thanks the fans get who paid they're pass money for nothing
3,000 capacity is OK.....? For a semi final between 4 teams You having a laugh'"
And what if Headingley wasn't available, have you considered that?
Your pass pays for home Super League games and not Challenge Cup Semi-Finals, so that has no relevance here.
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| Quote: Airlie Street "Crazy how people are moaning about venue size / allocation of tickets. We haven't been to a game of live rugby for over a year, be thankful 600 from each team are able to go, the games less than a month away and there are still restrictions in place, have some perspective.
Unless you know about the availability and cost of each individual venue and the demands from the BBC I'd say everything else is just pure speculation based on little more than frustration that you might not get a ticket.'"
Quote: Airlie Street "Quote: Airlie Street "Well Headingley must have been fairly cheap as they used it for most matches
The reason people are moaning is they've waited 15 months to go to a game and now vast majority of pass holders won't be able to go due to a joke of a allocation, that's the thanks the fans get who paid they're pass money for nothing
3,000 capacity is OK.....? For a semi final between 4 teams You having a laugh'"
And what if Headingley wasn't available, have you considered that?
Your pass pays for home Super League games and not Challenge Cup Semi-Finals, so that has no relevance here.'"
It is simply a very poor decision by the RFL to hold the semi finals at Leigh and its decisions like this and these thought processes that think it would be OK that hold the sport back.
If the press release is to be believed and the semi finals had been scheduled for this date over 6 months ago then surely someone somewhere within the RFL would have come up with 2 options with respect of possible lockdown scenario's.
The first option being if there were still strict restrictions in the place and the second option being if the restrictions had been eased to allow fans to attend.
The other issue I have with the RFL statement such as 'Several stadiums were considered based on being a neutral venue for the 4 Semi Finalists, being available on June 5, being able to host Rugby League, being geographically located somewhere accessible for the fans who would want to attend', hell fire Southampton is geographically located somewhere that's accessible, its even got a train station unlike Leigh. You would think they would look for somewhere more central rather than a stadium a stones throw from 3 teams who had a very real chance of reaching the semi's in Wigan, St's & Warrington.
As for the idea of a triple header for me the jury's out on this as to why they feel it was such a good idea or to suggest this to the BBC for the coverage. The football season is over when the Semi finals take place and feel the RFL once again have missed the chance by a country mile to really promote the sport to a new audience.
But even ignoring the above the biggest thing for me looking at it is, this is the sports prestigious competition at the Semi Final stage and the RFL seem to think a fitting venue to hold such an event is the Leigh Sports Village!!! That for me just sums up why the game is falling on its backside.
Can you ever imagine the FA holding the FA Cup Semi Finals at Blackpools Bloomfield Road or Oxfords Kassam Stadium for example? Not even the League Two Play-Offs would be held at venues like that as the FA regard their product highly and as such for prestige events they select venues fitting of the occasion..
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| If it wasn’t for fans individual love of their clubs, I think many would walk away from the game.
Triple header at a small stadium, and 100 miles away from one of the clubs?
Okay then
Never mind. The RFL have arranged pizza, and an advert on a Stobart truck for the games as well.
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| Restricted stadium capacities are based on seating, Headingley has around 14000 seats, making a limit of 3500.
So, around 120 more tickets per club.
(And Leigh has hosted a semi before - in 2016)
(And, of course, so has Doncaster a couple of times.)
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| Quote: Chris71 "It is simply a very poor decision by the RFL to hold the semi finals at Leigh and its decisions like this and these thought processes that think it would be OK that hold the sport back.
If the press release is to be believed and the semi finals had been scheduled for this date over 6 months ago then surely someone somewhere within the RFL would have come up with 2 options with respect of possible lockdown scenario's.
The first option being if there were still strict restrictions in the place and the second option being if the restrictions had been eased to allow fans to attend.
The other issue I have with the RFL statement such as 'Several stadiums were considered based on being a neutral venue for the 4 Semi Finalists, being available on June 5, being able to host Rugby League, being geographically located somewhere accessible for the fans who would want to attend', hell fire Southampton is geographically located somewhere that's accessible, its even got a train station unlike Leigh. You would think they would look for somewhere more central rather than a stadium a stones throw from 3 teams who had a very real chance of reaching the semi's in Wigan, St's & Warrington.
As for the idea of a triple header for me the jury's out on this as to why they feel it was such a good idea or to suggest this to the BBC for the coverage. The football season is over when the Semi finals take place and feel the RFL once again have missed the chance by a country mile to really promote the sport to a new audience.
But even ignoring the above the biggest thing for me looking at it is, this is the sports prestigious competition at the Semi Final stage and the RFL seem to think a fitting venue to hold such an event is the Leigh Sports Village!!! That for me just sums up why the game is falling on its backside.
Can you ever imagine the FA holding the FA Cup Semi Finals at Blackpools Bloomfield Road or Oxfords Kassam Stadium for example? Not even the League Two Play-Offs would be held at venues like that as the FA regard their product highly and as such for prestige events they select venues fitting of the occasion..'"
No one has yet suggested a better venue that:
Was available
Wanted to host the game
Did not require a non-refundable deposit
Would break even despite reduced crowds
Tell me where you would have hosted the games?
Leigh is a standard Super League stadium, not the best but certainly not the worst. It might not be that attractive to a neutral but let's be honest neither is Huddersfield, Hull or Headingley.
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| As another poster alluded to earlier (can’t find the post now) this decision appears to me, to benefit Leigh because they do not get direct Super League funding. If this is the case, then heyho.
No matter where the semis are played, plenty of fans will be disappointed at not getting a ticket. I’ve resigned myself to watching it on tv.
I was very angry and bemused at this decision at first, although still very disappointed you have to respect the reasons and the cause, BLOODY COVID.
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| Quote: Airlie Street "No one has yet suggested a better venue that
No one knows what was or wasn't available
No one knows if any other ground wanted to hold it or not or if they were given the option.
How do you know that Leigh did not require a non refundable deposit?
Who's to say the event will break even at Leigh, unless you know the breakdown of costs?
The KCOM is well known as a great stadium but I would have ruled it out despite it being the GF venue last season as its not centrally located.
Headingley has been used throughout the pandemic but with Yorkshire Cricket season it was likely a fixture clash.
Huddersfield another ground that is a good stadium and located centrally and has good ties with the game etc
The common issue with all the above grounds is that there was a good chance any of the 3 teams playing out the stadiums would make it to the Semi's which would be an issue.
Did the RFL think outside the box and look at Derby's Pride Park or Bramall Lane?
It just seems a very short sighted view and one that for me under sells and under values the Challenge Cup as a competition to the media and general public as whole considering its the Semi Final ties.
The RFL statement just doesn't add up as to it being geographical etc as that's just baloney, so if it was to keep money within the game of RL or other considerations/constraints they should state that not try and tell us its for reasons which don't make sense when you look at it.
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| Quote: Airlie Street "No one has yet suggested a better venue that
Disagree. Its a backward, narrow minded decision all about cost not growing the game and the image we are portraying on TV.
Firstly I'm not keen on the idea of a Triple header. Women's RL is a minority version or a minority sport, the revenue and viewers it brings in is almost non existent at this point. At Bolton a very small crowd turned up for it and largely seemed to be players friends and family from what I could see. Removing that from the event would have freed up some more seats for the Men's games. The Women's game is growing but now isn't the time to be turning away fans from the main events which is the Men's game.
I'm not keen on a double header either, as people only really want to see their own teams as seen by the Hull and Warrington fans heading home in their thousands at Bolton. Leaving the Saints fans sat on a top tier in Bolton and the ground looking empty on TV.
If the BBC were about having a double header a bigger ground should have been booked. I'd assume Huddersfield would be allowed a similar restricted capacity to the KCOM, and that would mean about 2k seats per team. The RFL have deals with Brammal Lane, Anfield, St James' Park, Ricoh, Riverside and Bolton for the World Cup and a Cup Semi would help promote the World Cup too.
Instead were saving a few quid and keeping our sponsor of the Sunbed Cup sweet...while turning away fans who are desperate to go watch. I can honestly see RL being part time again in 5 year such is the mismanagement.
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| FWIW, the John Smith's Stadium is a Covid Vaccination centre and the Giants first home game isn't scheduled until June 11th.
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| Off the top of my head, in the north over 20k capacity.
Headingly
DW Stadium
Bolton
Old Trafford
Etihad
Hillsborough
Bramall Lane
KC Stadium
Anfield
Goodison Park
Ewood park
Valley Parade
John Smiths
Hell, the RFL own Odsal, I dont know its current state but if they have been planning it that long maybe that could be made ready.
Are we saying none of these stadiums are available ?
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| Quote: steve_norton "Off the top of my head, in the north over 20k capacity.
Headingly
DW Stadium
Bolton
Old Trafford
Etihad
Hillsborough
Bramall Lane
KC Stadium
Anfield
Goodison Park
Ewood park
Valley Parade
John Smiths
Hell, the RFL own Odsal, I dont know its current state but if they have been planning it that long maybe that could be made ready.
Are we saying none of these stadiums are available ?
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Yes let's spend a few 100k on Old Trafford or Anfield to play a game in front of 10k fans and make a massive loss, at least those 10k fans will look great on TV for the national audience
In order to schedule a game at most of those stadia it would have to booked months in advance as football clubs carry out their maintenance in the summer, not sure it would have been responsible for the RFL to book one not knowing if any fans could attend, turned out to be a wise decision because only 10k fans max could attend and they would have lost a fortune.
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