TBH i thought we did well getting out of our own half. A fair few times we were on our line and then got to a kick for a scrum on Leeds 10. I agree about Manu but in the oppositions line. We missed Moa and Manu our 2 impact players that lift the team and the crowd although the way some were talking around me 5 balls on the lotto they woud have complained they didnt win the jackpot.

Did we lose?

There has been far too much rubbish talked on here in the off season about us being challengers for the top 4. We lack speed and creativity in the halfs, our full back seems afraid of the ball and our right wing/centre combination is miles off those of the top teams.

Most important of all is our lack of size and aggression in the forwards. We were completely dominated in the forwards last night and were struggling to make yards with ball in hand whereas we seemed incapable of restriction leeds when they had the ball. We haven't replaced moa's size and aggression or manu's explosiveness and creativity.

We consistently get dominated in the ruck both with ball in hand and in defence and our game plan seems to be to try and outlast the opposition's bigger packs in a war of attrition. Unfortunately this only works when you're fitter than they are and last night we weren't by a long way.

We may get better as the side gets more used to each other but we really don't have the quality of player to challenge leeds, wire, saints and wigan when it really matters.

Another season of mediocrity

You have nailed it Jake!!!!

Not like you to be so upbeat.

I'm not sure you can judge a team on one game.

First of all, I though Leeds where excellent, there speed in attack and defence was first class, I don't think they will be far off winning SL again.

For l I thought we where poor, effort was good and defence good in parts,

Negatives

Let Leeds play the ball too fast
Too many offloads for Leeds.
Kicking, we must be worst kicking team in SL, at times it was embarrassing.
Our halfbacks looked like they had never played together, gentle must take some of the blame for it.
Forwards got bullied last night, which is a massive disappointment, the fact that Pitts and green where our best forwards speaks for itself.
Don't like picking players out but arundel must improve his defence, he was part at fault for 3 try's last night, sinfields, moons and halls.
Worst game I have seen Houghton play last night, looked much better with heremia on.

I wouldn't change much next week, maybe start heremia, but there's not else we can do with 3 main forwards out.

Not the end of the world, but work to be done, still expect us to finish 5th- 6th in the table.

Dear me, it was the first game,away at the champions who played very well, you were a match for them for 60 mins then they turned the screw. Surely you cant judge a team with 6new players on the first game? Im sure hull will be fine this season,it was only the first game after all,too early to judge how a season will go.apart from against us,good luck for the season.

No, you can, its what Hull fans do best.

I think u can. Jake is spot on, if people cant see that then they are really deluding themselves.

what team will we see against bradford?gentle says the players can`t take for granted they will be an automatic first choice,they have to fight for the right to be first choice.

We look at our best from a attacking perspective when we offload the ball but our forwards were not interested in that last night which I found disappointing.

I said when Gentle came in it would take two years to sort the mess and then start thinking of challenging. Anyone expecting us to compete for trophies this season are deluding themselves. Top 6 minimum and top four at a push.

RLFans - the home of hyperbole.

Sums it up for me.Manu and Moa not replaced. No class No 7 . Galea, McDonnell, Arundel and Crookes average at best.

Heremaia back in the halfs maybe?