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| Quote: Kosh "Nope.
He's been largely average this season, and well below average in those areas where a quality centre should excel. He rarely backs up in attack and makes mistakes in defence. He creates few (if any) chances for his winger.
He may have been our best centre for a while (although not in every game by any means) but he's largely been up against a make-shift right centre so that's not saying much TBH.
Both Hall and Briscoe have more of the skills required to be an SL centre and are younger with more of their careers ahead of them. Yeaman is largely still living off a cracking season two or three years ago.
For me, one of our centres next season should be Hall with Yeaman and Briscoe fighting over the remaining spot. However, if Agar is still here then I expect to see a back line of Raynor, Yeaman, Tansey, Hall, and Briscoe with Calderwood out of the side if all are fit.'"
Yeaman has been on the whole poor and is another one living on past glories. He lacks the skill required to make opportunities for his winger and the ability to read the game and be up with play supporting when he should be. Hall and Briscoe are far better prospects but agree where said elsewhere that Hall should have the left centre berth as his own next year. Yeaman to move to the right - Briscoe is still young and should be cover for wing/centre. Let's face it he will get plenty of game time with our injury record.
Back on topic re Calderwood being dropped Agar's comments in the HDM about preferring Briscoe and Raynor to 'bring the ball out of our half strongly' against the big Catalans side says much about his negative thought processes. Instead of using kick/chase to Calderwood's wing turning their big players around time and again he opts instead for a defensive type mentality with no thought for how to threaten the opposition. That while at the same time seeing fit to drop our most enthusiastic player when he has failed to drop players for consistent failure in the past. Time for his taxi I think.
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| Quote: Staffs FC "Yeaman has been on the whole poor and is another one living on past glories. He lacks the skill required to make opportunities for his winger and the ability to read the game and be up with play supporting when he should be. Hall and Briscoe are far better prospects but agree where said elsewhere that Hall should have the left centre berth as his own next year. Yeaman to move to the right - Briscoe is still young and should be cover for wing/centre. Let's face it he will get plenty of game time with our injury record.
Back on topic re Calderwood being dropped Agar's comments in the HDM about preferring Briscoe and Raynor to 'bring the ball out of our half strongly' against the big Catalans side says much about his negative thought processes. Instead of using kick/chase to Calderwood's wing turning their big players around time and again he opts instead for a defensive type mentality with no thought for how to threaten the opposition. That while at the same time seeing fit to drop our most enthusiastic player when he has failed to drop players for consistent failure in the past. Time for his taxi I think.'"
Why dont we keep ringing all the taxi firms in hull, get them to turn up at the KC for the name AGAR. Surely that would get the point across !!!!
Maybe not then !!
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| Quote: Staffs FC " That while at the same time seeing fit to drop our most enthusiastic player when he has failed to drop players for consistent failure in the past. '"
That's the point for me. It's the first rule of managing a sports team that you don't drop your best performing, most enthusiastic players. Only a complete idiot would do such a thing.
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| Quote: Kosh "IMO Hall has shown more of the core skill and vision [iin attack[/i than Yeaman. There's still a question over his defence, although that seems to have improved.
Yeaman regularly fails to support attacking play unless it starts right next to him and/or close to the try line. Even in the few games I've seen this season he rarely backs up breaks that start from deep or from further away than his second row or winger. A top centre would be doing this, and would therefore be getting more 'service'. Hall gets the ball more often than Yeaman because he has the vision to do this. Yeaman has failed to show the same vision over his entire career - I'm fairly sure he's not going to start now.
We know Yeaman can score tries from mid to close range if put on the end of a defence-splitting pass. I'd argue that any decent second-row forward could do the same. Maybe a change to the other centre position would utilise his talents better as you suggest in another post, but basically we'd be working around his limitations.'"
His support play could be better I grant you that. However I don't see all these limitations you refer to. He has never been the best at putting his winger away but neither was Senior. Senior was constantly abused by fans saying his winger would not get the ball but in recent years it has become his strength and you only have to look at the quality ball that Hall now gets and the number of tries he scores to back that up. Both Hall and Yeaman need to work on this aspect of their game imo and if the did they would both improve greatly. The fact is Hall does look to be more ambitious with the ball in hand but often his decision making lets him down. Yeaman and Hall are the best two centres we have but unless the coaches do some specific coaching I don't see the improvement coming quickly.
If Yeaman went to play at Leeds or Saints then within 12 months he would go on to be one of the best centre's in the game. Of course that is only opinion and part of me would like to see him move just to see him fulfill his potential.
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| Quote: PAUL M "If Yeaman went to play at Leeds or Saints then within 12 months he would go on to be one of the best centre's in the game. Of course that is only opinion and part of me would like to see him move just to see him fulfill his potential.'"
There isn't a single player at Hull who has reached their potential in the last two seasons, take Berrigan, Horne, Hall, Yeaman or Raynor (yes, even Raynor) and put them at Saints or Leeds and they would be 100% better players, it's a combination of poor coaching, poor recruitment, poor retention, poor tactics, poor options.
But hey, everything we do is A grade, we're even the best at being poor in SL!
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| Fu(K me i have been away in the lakes all weekend (so been cut off from the www) & we have lost again 9no suprise there) but i am now reading he dropped calderwood huh whats that all about he is the only 1 of em that puts some effort in....maybe thats the problem!!! This clown gotta go....
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| Quote: Standee "There isn't a single player at Hull who has reached their potential in the last two seasons'"
Not good is it!!
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| Quote: Big Dave T "Not good is it!!'"
No, but it is what the fans deserve, too many years accepting mediocrity on and off the field I am afraid.
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| How would people feel if calderwood leaving was so we could bring in richard owen?
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| Quote: Irregs #12 "How would people feel if calderwood leaving was so we could bring in richard owen?'"
Disappointed.
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| Quote: cjb24 "What decent knowledgable coach would play a player whose been out injured for months in the starting line, give them a run out yes, but ease them back into the game gradually, instead of leaving out a fit player to accomodate one back from injury.'"
Spot on IMO
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| Quote: Irregs #12 "How would people feel if calderwood leaving was so we could bring in richard owen?'"
Owen has a bigger future in the game and can play FB and Wing so it would make sense in some ways. The thing is Calderwood has been excellent for us and it would be a shame to lose him.
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| Quote: Irregs #12 "How would people feel if calderwood leaving was so we could bring in richard owen?'"
Then I would say how utterly idiotic it was getting rid of our player of the year yet keeping an aging, injury prone out of form winger instead
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James added [i"I am delighted to be joining the playing staff. Inspired by the many roles Neil Hudgell has taking on, which include Chairman, CEO, solicitor, gardener, Justin Morgans buffer and gigalo, I decided I would have a crack at multi-tasking and hope that this, alongside another job I will be taking on which includes the councilling of ducks, I hope to inspire men in been able to get rid of that old idea that men can't do more than two things at once."[/i
James is set to make hios debut for the club in the upcoming home game against Harlequins, taking the place of Jordan Tansey in the squad, whi Richard believes has to be left out due to his fear of cockney accents.
It wouldn't suprise me to see this article printed soon after the amount of stupid decisions made by Agar and the club this year. For god sake, dropping Calderwood because he feels Briscoe and Raynor return the ball better from within our own back field is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read from him. For one it simply isnt true, secondly how about you select wingers on their ability to score trys (which is what they are bloody there for) instead of how they can return kicks or scoot from dummy half. Agar is the worst SL head coach I have witnessed since I started supporting the club in 2002 and he has to go asap!
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| Quote: Standee "No, but it is what the fans deserve, too many years accepting mediocrity on and off the field I am afraid.'"
You really are a big bag of steaming dog turds.
How you can possibly say that the fans have deserved the crap we are currently having to endure is beyond normal comprehension. By what act or omission have we earned the level of ineptitude we are now experiencing?
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