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| Quote: Sebasteeno "Could we be in for Carney?'"
Not without getting rid of another quota player I don't think. Unless the plan is to sack off Michaels and get someone better!
Of the players mentioned BJB or Charnley would both be good options.
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| Quote: Dave K. "He was good last year (In an appalling side) and just about deserved his England spot, but overall in his time at Hull, he has been disappointing, two average season and two better ones. He certainly hasn't been outstanding, he doesn't score trys or sets them up, rarely makes a break either, he works hard and has good defence, but in his time as Hull, that's about it, I've seen more from Abdul (Who isn't ready to play LF full time) last season that I saw from Westerman last year.
So do we keep him for another year, hoping he will finally come good after 4 years and then let him go for free or do we sell him for a large fee and let players play LF who will do a more effective job for the club.'"
That really is revisionism/selective. I'd say IMO, but the stats say otherwise, too:
2015 - has been a disappointing year with few tries and clean breaks, but he does have a decent amount of tackle busts being joint 8th, and was level on assists with Pryce (who I know missed a few games).
2014 - low on tries, but joint 4th for assists with Heremaia at 9, only 1 behind Horne. He was our leading tackle buster with 81, and joint 7th for clean breaks with our POTY Talanoa.
2013 - joint 5th for tries and joint 7th for assists (only halves, hookers and Crooks with more, as it should be). 3rd for tackle busts and 10th for clean breaks (leading forward).
2012 - missed a huge chunk with shoulder dislocation.
2011 - 4th for tries, 5th for assists, 3rd for clean breaks, 4th for tackle busts. A great first season that still just wasn't good enough for many.
I have no wish to get into the ins and outs of his departure etc, but I have simply never understood the amount of criticism and lack of credit Westerman has received for most of his time here, and how many things that are stated are simply outright untrue.
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| Thanks for the service a change and a move away from Cas area will probs bring the best out of Joe and I'm sure he will be better under Tony Smith who turned Briers round off field, got to say the back rows we have coming in are far superior and we have a young lad in Abdul who has a lot of the handling skills Joe made his name for, I just hope we use the cap space wisely and strengthen the squad in an attacking manner, we make line breaks but we don't convert we dominate but do not put teams away this needs addressing with backs who support play and half's who can create try's and a hooker who can be spelled by another attacking threat round the ruck
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| Quote: Lang Park "Yes I agree. Feel a bit sorry for you though. You've gone into bat against all and sundry defending AP's line that the club's hanging by a thread financially and now he comes out with this statement, pulling the rug from under you and making you look a fool.
Maybe he popped down to the kitchen for a choccy digestive and found 500k he forgot he'd stashed in the biscuit tin.'"
Our squad is up to full cap. We release Westerman, freeing up some cap. We replace Westerman with a salary that can be no more than his. So far we're square financially at worst. Then AP gets £150k to bridge funding shortfalls. Brilliant news!
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "funding shortfalls. Brilliant news!
How much are these shortfalls?
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| Quote: Sebasteeno "Could we be in for Carney?'"
We could be. Would be a bit awkward, mind.
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| Quote: frepneyboy "How much are these shortfalls?'"
£150k lower than yesterday. Unless we use some to pay a fee, of course.
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| This is good business from the club. Is Welham "high profile"? I think we have someone else in mind personally.
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| Quote: carl_spackler "That really is revisionism/selective. I'd say IMO, but the stats say otherwise, too
We have underachieved for the last 5 years, so comparing them to other Hull players isn't really a comparison I want, I want him to look like a top 4 playe and be compared to other top LF's.
His defenceis good, but for a pivot position his attack has been good enough for the majority time he has been at Hull
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| I've been a big Westerman fan in the past and still will be. Hope he has a great career at Warrington.
This deal was a no-brainer for the club though, £150K for a player with a year left on his contract.
Our forwards are probably the best assembled in SL for next year, something had to give. Would be great if we can get salary cap freed up to strengthen the backs, but I think some of Westerman's salary will have already been earmarked for some of our new signings.
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| Has to be good business £150K for a player who would leave for nothing at the seasons end.Not everyone will approve,but as we did with blake green and travis burns take the cash while its available as wish you had.
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| Quote: Dave K. "We have underachieved for the last 5 years, so comparing them to other Hull players isn't really a comparison I want, I want him to look like a top 4 playe and be compared to other top LF's.
His defenceis good, but for a pivot position his attack has been good enough for the majority time he has been at Hull'"
I disagree. I don't think his attack is a weakness, and I think it is entirely fair to compare him to those around him who are working with the same conditions. In particular I think it is massively flawed to assess his attacking game by measuring his tries scored and assisted against players in top sides that actually have functioning attacks whilst we have been woeful at that particular aspect of the game for most of his time here. If we had actually had any sort of semblance of a support game in the last 5 years his assists could easily be double what they are. Even then, assists don't always tell the full story.
The debate has been done to death and this thread doesn't need any more of it though, and we might see how he does in a better attack next season.
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| I agree with others that Westy recieved some unfiar flack at times ,and IMO although not being spectacular was a steady grafter.I do however feel that the Club has done the right thing if the Cash is used well.Abdul is a ready made replacment and is every bit has good with a better kicking game plus he is improving and will be a great player.If all we hear is right then we have got shut of the players seen has disruptive and not sticking to the "Culture" .We move on and look forward and hope its all falling into place
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| Quote: carl_spackler "I disagree. I don't think his attack is a weakness, and I think it is entirely fair to compare him to those around him who are working with the same conditions. In particular I think it is massively flawed to assess his attacking game by measuring his tries scored and assisted against players in top sides that actually have functioning attacks whilst we have been woeful at that particular aspect of the game for most of his time here. If we had actually had any sort of semblance of a support game in the last 5 years his assists could easily be double what they are. Even then, assists don't always tell the full story.
The debate has been done to death and this thread doesn't need any more of it though, and we might see how he does in a better attack next season.'"
Give it up, mate. There's none so blind as those that will not see.
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "Daniel Vidot is coming to Super League, it was rumoured yesterday. Can't see it being him given quota position.'"
going to Salford
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