If Gentle hadn't have left Wests there's a good chance he'd have taken over from Sheens, pretty much like Flanaghan did.

Isn't that the contract that west's where offering him, 3yrs and at the end of the 3yrs he would be taking over from Sheens

I can't remember tbh, but even if it was people would ignore it to suit their argument.

Why do we need a new coach ?

And he wouldnt of lasted long if the previous years stagnation at FC is anything to go by

Do you mean the year of stagnation that got us into the second round of the playoffs.

to put it in context, as a team who spends the full cap (fc), can you name another team who warrants getting beat in the second round of play-off matches a good season other than us??? i cant....

Where did I say it was a good season. If you're going to respond at least read what people say before you do. I said it wasn't a year of stagnation as we had improved on the year before.

But of course this doesn't suit your negative agenda does it?

fair play, although im finding it increasingly hard to be positive about ANYTHING hull fc at the minute....

Nobody is more frustrated than me but we need to put this season into context. We beat Bulls, drew away at Saints, lost to last seasons grand finalists and had one shocker against Widnes. Disappointing yes, but its not the end of the world. We've another 22 rounds to go and I'm confident we'll be in the shake up at the end of the season.

Keeping it in context, the teams that spend to the full cap have better players in key positions (Sinfield/McGuire/Burrow/Myler/Ratchford/Briers/Brough/Lomax/Monaghan). And some who don't spend to the full cap do as well - including our near neighbours who have a better scrum half than us for example, as do the team we are playing tonight. Until we strengthen those areas - which we tried and mostly failed to do recently - we wont beat the teams with better players in these key areas. We improved last year but I doubt we can improve again this unless our better players stay more or less 100% fit between now and the end of the season. Holdsworth is obviously a key player for us, moreso than Ellis, and when he doesn't play there's no one else to do the job he does.

We've not had a good start although the defeat to Widnes was the only real catastrophe - and catastrophe it was. There's still 22 games to play, just to add another bit of context.

The current one lacks a magic wand.

Maybe they want us to get Mick Potter's brother Harry.

Reality check Hessle Roader. We were completely dominated by Leeds, were OK against Bradford, couldn’t kill a game off a game against Saints with 8 missed attacking opportunities in last 10mins. Again completely out classed by Warrington despite them missing there three best players. Oh and then we played Widnes and looked like a bad Championship one side. The facts show we are nowhere near as good as the coach and players think we are or should be. The problems are so obvious but yet nobody wants to admit them.

The coach has made a poor call with going for light “mobile” forwards that get dominated every game. We don’t have the skill in the backs to pull this game plan off and Jay Pitts and Rich Whiting and Paul Johnson don’t cut the mustard as props simple as. We have an obsession with KY and RH contract extensions despite them being very average SL players, just because they are from Hull. Recruitment of Joe Arundel on a 4 year deal looks extremely poor business to me. Turner is light years ahead. For me Manu has more of a positive impact on winning a game than Ellis would have been even if fit! Sam Moa or Paul Johnson, enough said. We also have TB who looks like he can’t be d at all and is terrible under the high bomb with KY. We won’t make the playoffs this year it’s as simple as that.

That's the least realistic 'reality check' I've ever seen.