[quote="Yippee try yay":yzu7dckj]You always repeat the same things but never seem to offer suggestions as to who we should have signed instead? Maybe we shouldn't have signed the above players then all we'd here is Myler can't sign anyone blah blah, genuinely who would you have signed if you were in mylers shoes? He came in late to a club that was at rock bottom, absolutely skint and where most players had already sorted their next move before he got his feet under the desk. I get that some of the players signed aren't world beaters but they're here short term to get the club moving in the right direction.[/quote:yzu7dckj] Should've left the recruitment until late summer like when we signed the 3 overseas lads. Would've been loads of options I'm sure

[quote="bonaire":1mrjzvpt]Most of them were panick signings by Richie Rich Abdull injury risk paid off Holmes Injury risk probably get paid off not value for money if he only plays a few games Chamberlain not S/L standard and injury prone But you are doing a good job Myler[/quote:1mrjzvpt] Seems for you Myler can’t do anything right. He’s starting from scratch, going through all aspects of the club, dealing in a market where there are few players available, harnessing the young talent, assessing the character of the players, the injury prone players. Given what he came into you might consider cutting him some slack I’m sure we’ll have adversity in the season and you’ll say ‘I told you so’ but I defy anyone to have done a much better job. I’m sorry we lost Abdul and staveley but that’s pro sport. We have space for replacements should they become available

[quote="Chris71":2gt5d5xh]All those you mention I would say are not examples at all or anywhere near similar in anyway to the recent releases..[/quote:2gt5d5xh] In what way(s) do you see them as dissimilar? Obviously, each set of circumstances is different, but in principle I don’t think other recent Hull FC coaches have been sentimental or reluctant to cut players.

[quote="mwindass":3gulskp1]Should've left the recruitment until late summer like when we signed the 3 overseas lads. Would've been loads of options I'm sure[/quote:3gulskp1] A lot of people say this but there is 0 evidence anyone any good came up. A lot of fans criticised the club for passing on Rimbu & Asi but so far they’ve been poor for Cas and have been called out for offering no direction to Cas’ attack. On the other hand, our player base voted for Sezer to be captain. Don’t think we’d have found someone with the same pedigree as Rapana. Sezer & Rapana were also after we missed out on Lam & Sailor. Probs best stop gaps we were going to get.

Just ignore and don’t quote the rovers fan…

Look at other overseas signings aswell. So many clubs have signed quota players who have never played an NRL game. People arr right about Bonaire, has no solutions, just moans, had the chace to ask Myler questions at the forum, but couldn't be bothered to go or send in any questions.

As touched on the Catalans thread, I hardly think Abdul could be called a disaster. I never felt it would work out if I’m honest, but it was a unique situation only we could have take advantage of salary cap wise, at best we could have had an international standard player count very little on the salary cap but it wasn’t to be, I’m not having that we paid him off close to the full three year contract they’d have been some agreement in place regarding fitness. Had we looked at other targets for a third senior domestic half we might have a little bit more cover going into the season granted. As said in the other thread though at absolute best we might have been able to get in early and do a deal for Olly Russell. He might do well at Wakey but has never established himself as first choice yet. Other players who’d fit that bill maybe we could have offered Ben Reynolds a permanent deal or Richardson at Rovers. You can never tell with these things but long term I’d rather we go with Kemp and Charles when needed.

[quote="Hullrealist":yo2cyywc]A lot of people say this but there is 0 evidence anyone any good came up. A lot of fans criticised the club for passing on Rimbu & Asi but so far they’ve been poor for Cas and have been called out for offering no direction to Cas’ attack. On the other hand, our player base voted for Sezer to be captain. Don’t think we’d have found someone with the same pedigree as Rapana. Sezer & Rapana were also after we missed out on Lam & Sailor. Probs best stop gaps we were going to get.[/quote:yo2cyywc] I should've added a dollop more sarcasm to my post. We sacked Smith last March/April so any recruitment ideas he had probably got thrown out the window at the time. We then had a 6 ish week block when didn't have a coach lined up. As well as looking for a head coach, Myler recruited domestic players. If he'd just sat on his hands player wise we'd probably be even further behind.

[quote="Mild Rover":1l3k1w8a][quote="Chris71":1l3k1w8a]All those you mention I would say are not examples at all or anywhere near similar in anyway to the recent releases..[/quote:1l3k1w8a] In what way(s) do you see them as dissimilar? Obviously, each set of circumstances is different, but in principle I don’t think other recent Hull FC coaches have been sentimental or reluctant to cut players.[/quote:1l3k1w8a] Don't agree at all. Sneyd had an offer from Salford for a 3 year deal and a chance to return home, as a club at the time weren't in a position to match that offer or come close so it was mutually agreed he'd leave with 1 year left on his contract. Connor was ousted by Smith, if what I was told has some truth to it because he questioned Smith and Gene on their methods. Whether that's 100% I can't say but looking at the way Ellis left and subsequently returned on Smiths own departure I'd say theres a good chance what I was told has merit. My understanding on Gale was he didn't meet the clause in his contract to trigger the 2nd year. Evans was in his last year and was released early due to injuries and compassionate reasons. Reynolds was just a total crock, poor expensive signing, a very poor influence and only had a few month left on his deal which wasn't going to be renewed at the end of the season. So for me the ones mentioned are in no way similar in any aspect.

[quote="Mild Rover":2gcnm5k1]It feels like other recent Hull FC coaches have been willing to make unsentimental decisions to release players. These may not all be perfect examples and I may be misremembering the circumstances for some of them, but Marc Sneyd, Jake Connor, Josh Reynolds, Luke Gale and Kane Evans come to mind.[/quote:2gcnm5k1] Maybe, possibly, although I don't think too many were sorry to see Gale or Evans depart. It just feels a touch different today with some of these decisions being made around players who very quickly (for differing reasons) have been deemed not to be up to scratch and have been summarily released. As I pointed out last night, it is the clubs that make the correct retention/recruitment decisions (most of the time) that ultimately become the successful sides (backed up with a healthy youth policy), specifically Wigan, Saints and, in the past, Leeds. Of course, this could merely be the likes of myself looking for shafts of sunlight through the darkened storm clouds, but the noises coming out of the club since the end of last season would seem to indicate, on the surface at least, that a new professional broom has swept through our club and it does feel different to quite a few of the faithful on here. Ultimately, of course, the proof is in the pudding (which means results on the field) but right now there is an air of renewed optimism around the place, a feeling of sleeves being rolled up and applying to the task in hand. I think that is essentially what the likes of Chris and others are positing with Abdull/Staveley releases being a part of the new attitude. As the next few months unfold we will find out whether we are making the right decisions or not, watch this space as they say!!!

[quote="mwindass":3ahrzjnm][quote="Hullrealist":3ahrzjnm]A lot of people say this but there is 0 evidence anyone any good came up. A lot of fans criticised the club for passing on Rimbu & Asi but so far they’ve been poor for Cas and have been called out for offering no direction to Cas’ attack. On the other hand, our player base voted for Sezer to be captain. Don’t think we’d have found someone with the same pedigree as Rapana. Sezer & Rapana were also after we missed out on Lam & Sailor. Probs best stop gaps we were going to get.[/quote:3ahrzjnm] I should've added a dollop more sarcasm to my post. We sacked Smith last March/April so any recruitment ideas he had probably got thrown out the window at the time. We then had a 6 ish week block when didn't have a coach lined up. As well as looking for a head coach, Myler recruited domestic players. If he'd just sat on his hands player wise we'd probably be even further behind.[/quote:3ahrzjnm] Agree with mwindass, when you look at where we were as club and most significantly in terms of financially then add in the limited player pool, genuine availability of players as whole, whilst not forgetting we had no Head Coach signed, it was an almost impossible task. Myler so far, when taking all the things in to account has done what I would say is a decent job of making big changes needed. The recruitment process we were only just starting after every other club and most players had got deals done but we still needed players so on the whole think he's got the best of what was available. Lets just see how the club and teams goes this year as it's impossible to give a fair judgment just yet. I think the next recruitment cycle will be more telling as there will be no excuses for the lack of a plan or targets, also the changes to the recruitment within the game will no doubt shake things up for everyone too. For me at present I do honestly believe Myler has done and is doing ok so far from what I've seen and heard. I'm not saying everything is perfect or every decision he makes will be right (no one does that) but this was never going to an overnight thing to turn this club around.

I think our recruitment has been pretty solid. We also tried for better players, add in Lam and Whitehead and another quota player we would look a whole lot better. My issues is that we look very weak at halfback and backrow and we have Holmes and Seizer potential doubts first game, so at game 1 we are already looking stretched in those two positions. Abdul I get (although he probably shouldn't have been signed, but can see why we did, probably our most expensive signing in years though) But I would have only released Staveley once we had a replacement lined up.

[quote="Dave K.":nhw1419p]I think our recruitment has been pretty solid. We also tried for better players, add in Lam and Whitehead and another quota player we would look a whole lot better. My issues is that we look very weak at halfback and backrow and we have Holmes and Seizer potential doubts first game, so at game 1 we are already looking stretched in those two positions. Abdul I get (although he probably shouldn't have been signed, but can see why we did, probably our most expensive signing in years though) But I would have only released Staveley once we had a replacement lined up.[/quote:nhw1419p] Add in that we don't have a lot of players off contract this year (cap wise anyway) and only 1 non fed spot coming free and 2026 recruitment could already be a challenge

[quote="Jake the Peg":8hcgf0gk]Add in that we don't have a lot of players off contract this year (cap wise anyway) and only 1 non fed spot coming free and 2026 recruitment could already be a challenge[/quote:8hcgf0gk] I've been told we have a good chunk of cap before Staveley went, must a good chunk to add Cross and Sneyd. Add in Sao and Briscoe. We will have a good amount and one quota spot. I also wouldn't rule of out contacted players leaving. I'd be looking at 4 players, one must be a quality halfback, 2 forwards and maybe a centre, depending on how Litten, Rapana, Hardraker and Westerman go. In an ideal world if we could get Lam or Pryce it would make our recruitment much easier.

[quote="Dave K.":22ryuxla]I've been told we have a good chunk of cap before Staveley went, must a good chunk to add Cross and Sneyd. Add in Sao and Briscoe. We will have a good amount and one quota spot. I also wouldn't rule of out contacted players leaving. I'd be looking at 4 players, one must be a quality halfback, 2 forwards and maybe a centre, depending on how Litten, Rapana, Hardraker and Westerman go. In an ideal world if we could get Lam or Pryce it would make our recruitment much easier.[/quote:22ryuxla] Does Sao come off quota next year? if so might be worth another year if he performs and still leaves one quota spot.

[quote="Marcus's Bicycle":3cbfdcf7]Does Sao come off quota next year? if so might be worth another year if he performs and still leaves one quota spot.[/quote:3cbfdcf7] Yes, if those rules come into play, not a fan of this rule, but others will exploit it, so we may have too. Depends on the season he has, needs a big one.

Sao and Fash were both poor last season but start with a clean slate for me. Clearly they both need to up their game and improve their discipline. Abdull was a risky signing that didn't pay off. Calling it a disaster is pure hyperbole. At least we have cut out losses rather than pay him for being sat in the stands.

[quote="Dave K.":aa8tgagn]Yes, if those rules come into play, not a fan of this rule, but others will exploit it, so we may have too. Depends on the season he has, needs a big one.[/quote:aa8tgagn] Not a fan either as there's less incentive to produce home grown talent but as you say others will take advantage of it. I'd guess they'll be number of other players who'll qualify as well.

[quote="ComeOnYouUll":3ans7mwm]Sao and Fash were both poor last season but start with a clean slate for me. Clearly they both need to up their game and improve their discipline. Abdull was a risky signing that didn't pay off. Calling it a disaster is pure hyperbole. At least we have cut out losses rather than pay him for being sat in the stands.[/quote:3ans7mwm] I agree. Very disappointed with both player’s discipline last year and both need to cut it out. I’m hoping Ligi’s was down to frustration, with the team/club. On his day he is a good player and if he has a good season, will be decent value to us in 2026 once he is off quota. As for Fash, he really needs a big year and when all are fit, he’ll need to break in to the first 17. He’s got to stop all the nonsense of picking fights, especially the Derby. He just needs to concentrate on being a good Prop. To me he is a Prop. I have never understood the thought of playing him at 13, he has no link play or key handling skills to put him in that role. We need to play players in their true positions. Hopefully Carty will demand a new level of discipline. I felt in recent seasons the Club Hull concept had led to a few of the local lads being complacent about being in the squad (not the 2024 break through youngsters). I want all players to be in merit and if they don’t deliver or become a discipline liability then they can live on for me. Teams rarely win when they have to play part of the game with 12 men and that was a contributing factor to our performances last season.

[quote="Chris71":cs4ig4r0]Don't agree at all. Sneyd had an offer from Salford for a 3 year deal and a chance to return home, as a club at the time weren't in a position to match that offer or come close so it was mutually agreed he'd leave with 1 year left on his contract. Connor was ousted by Smith, if what I was told has some truth to it because he questioned Smith and Gene on their methods. Whether that's 100% I can't say but looking at the way Ellis left and subsequently returned on Smiths own departure I'd say theres a good chance what I was told has merit. My understanding on Gale was he didn't meet the clause in his contract to trigger the 2nd year. Evans was in his last year and was released early due to injuries and compassionate reasons. Reynolds was just a total crock, poor expensive signing, a very poor influence and only had a few month left on his deal which wasn't going to be renewed at the end of the season. So for me the ones mentioned are in no way similar in any aspect.[/quote:cs4ig4r0] It’s kind of nice that we can look at the same set of facts and draw completely opposite conclusions from them! In these times of division and discord, seeing it writ small and inconsequential makes a change at least. [quote="BP1":cs4ig4r0]Maybe, possibly, although I don't think too many were sorry to see Gale or Evans depart. It just feels a touch different today with some of these decisions being made around players who very quickly (for differing reasons) have been deemed not to be up to scratch and have been summarily released. As I pointed out last night, it is the clubs that make the correct retention/recruitment decisions (most of the time) that ultimately become the successful sides (backed up with a healthy youth policy), specifically Wigan, Saints and, in the past, Leeds. Of course, this could merely be the likes of myself looking for shafts of sunlight through the darkened storm clouds, but the noises coming out of the club since the end of last season would seem to indicate, on the surface at least, that a new professional broom has swept through our club and it does feel different to quite a few of the faithful on here. Ultimately, of course, the proof is in the pudding (which means results on the field) but right now there is an air of renewed optimism around the place, a feeling of sleeves being rolled up and applying to the task in hand. I think that is essentially what the likes of Chris and others are positing with Abdull/Staveley releases being a part of the new attitude. As the next few months unfold we will find out whether we are making the right decisions or not, watch this space as they say!!![/quote:cs4ig4r0] Aye, you just don’t know until it happens. Outside of the couple of clubs that always win, there are no guarantees. The experienced coach with a proven track was a change from his immediate predecessors, but it didn’t work out. Myler saying Hull will look ahead when considering signings, so as not to block pathways reminds me of the rationale behind the now much-maligned recruitment round for 2019. That’s not to say it is certain to go badly this time. My point isn’t really about right or wrong. New and familiar approaches can both go either way. This just doesn’t feel like one of the new ones to me - there are certainly other things that I do think Hull are doing differently for 2025.

[quote="Rugby Raider":33uku84y] Teams rarely win when they have to play part of the game with 12 men and that was a contributing factor to our performances last season.[/quote:33uku84y] I believe we only had ten out of twenty-eight games last year when we had thirteen players on the pitch for the full eighty minutes.

[quote="ComeOnYouUll":1nqegqp2]I believe we only had ten out of twenty-eight games last year when we had thirteen players on the pitch for the full eighty minutes.[/quote:1nqegqp2] thats some stat, knew we were playing shorthanded a bit with the raft of cards we were getting but when put like that its shocking

[quote="Hullrealist":3diybtfa]Are you actually an FC fan, swear I’ve never once seen you post anything positive? Holmes has a niggle so you’re suggesting he’ll get paid off. He was signed for experience and to bring young players on. Hes not a bad back up. Chamberlain was hardly ever injured at Leigh and then has had 2 back to back injuries at Hull. The ankle might not even be too bad for all we know. Not a first choice SL player but can cover a lot of positions as a back up. Also managed to start at centre in a CC winning side. Abdull was a risk that went wrong but Myler managed to have clauses which mitigated the costs of paying him off. Add that we see the club doing more community work and seems a lot more in tune to the fans. Some positives there. I don’t think we can comment whether he’s doing good job or not for another 12-18 months[/quote:3diybtfa] Holmes dosent have a niggle,its the same knee injury that kept him on the sidelines for most of last season at Leigh. He wasnt signed as a back up he was signed as a starting second row Myler had clauses in Abdulls contract to mitigate the costs of paying him off? really On that basis Abdull may as well have sat out his last season on contract at KR if that was true,He cant be that daft As for Chamberlain he is just Championship quality even if you use the term utility

[quote="bonaire":3i79bzzs]Holmes dosent have a niggle,its the same knee injury that kept him on the sidelines for most of last season at Leigh. He wasnt signed as a back up he was signed as a starting second row Myler had clauses in Abdulls contract to mitigate the costs of paying him off? really On that basis Abdull may as well have sat out his last season on contract at KR if that was true,He cant be that daft As for Chamberlain he is just Championship quality even if you use the term utility[/quote:3i79bzzs] Cheers doc

[quote="bonaire":1s35yt50]Holmes dosent have a niggle,its the same knee injury that kept him on the sidelines for most of last season at Leigh. He wasnt signed as a back up he was signed as a starting second row Myler had clauses in Abdulls contract to mitigate the costs of paying him off? really On that basis Abdull may as well have sat out his last season on contract at KR if that was true,He cant be that daft As for Chamberlain he is just Championship quality even if you use the term utility[/quote:1s35yt50] Holmes signed as a starting second row but given the 15 number?!