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| "As Chairman of the SMC my decision is final with regard to the running of the Stadium, including what events do or do not take place. There is no complaints procedure"
I don't normally resort to name-calling, but, seriously, what a to$$er. "My decision is final" - 95% of "events" are covered by the original agreement anyway, so talk about bigging your part up.
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| Quote: Kosh "Because a tenancy agreement is with the owner, not the appointed operator. And because it was published at the time of the move. And several times since.
It's a 25 year lease BTW.
The SMC operates the stadium on behalf of the council. They have no legal right over it nor over the tenants. If the went bust tomorrow it would have zero impact on our right to use the stadium.'"
A tenancy agreement can be with anyone who has a legal right to use/occupy property. Have you never heard of sub letting?
I don't know either way, but there is every chance that the club have a tenancy agreement with the SMC unless someone has actually had sight of the document. The fact that the SMC have allegedly varied the rental agreement would lead me to think that it may well be them who hold the original lease
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| Quote: Kosh "The SMC do not own the stadium. It's no more an asset of theirs than it is ours - it could not be seized by creditors.
The SMC are indeed an independent commercial organisation - I didn't mean to give the impression that they somehow worked for the council. The terms of the Head Lease they were granted, however, contains some provisions regarding the generation of revenue and use of the stadium. There are also covenants that apply to the use of the site.
At the end of the day if the SMC goes belly-up then the Head Lease reverts to the council. They will then either have to run the KC themselves or sell the Head Lease to another SMC-type company to do the job.'"
Looks like the worm's blown your theory out of the water. The lease is an asset of the SMC and, as such, may possibly be sold on. there could (and probably are) clauses to restrict this. there is certainly significant commercial value in the lease so there would likely be prospective buyers of the SMC if it were put into receivership
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "Looks like the worm's blown your theory out of the water. The lease is an asset of the SMC and, as such, may possibly be sold on. there could (and probably are) clauses to restrict this. there is certainly significant commercial value in the lease so there would likely be prospective buyers of the SMC if it were put into receivership'"
Is it? Wouldn't that depend on whether they bought it outright or had a staged payment/continuing payment arrangement?
In any case it doesn't materially affect FC's exposure.
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "A tenancy agreement can be with anyone who has a legal right to use/occupy property. Have you never heard of sub letting?
I don't know either way, but there is every chance that the club have a tenancy agreement with the SMC unless someone has actually had sight of the document. The fact that the SMC have allegedly varied the rental agreement would lead me to think that it may well be them who hold the original lease'"
In this particular case the Head Lease and sub leases were set up at the same time with a very well defined set of criteria. The SMC (or whoever else holds the Head Lease) has very limited scope for alteration of the terms of the sub leases.
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| Quote: Kosh "Is it? Wouldn't that depend on whether they bought it outright or had a staged payment/continuing payment arrangement?
In any case it doesn't materially affect FC's exposure.'"
Of course a lease is an asset. Do you have any understanding of leasehold property?
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| Quote: Kosh "In this particular case the Head Lease and sub leases were set up at the same time with a very well defined set of criteria. The SMC (or whoever else holds the Head Lease) has very limited scope for alteration of the terms of the sub leases.'"
You're backtracking quicker than a french tank
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| rlWhat a shame for the ill informed football hatersrl
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "Of course a lease is an asset. Do you have any understanding of leasehold property?'"
Only a very basic understanding. I would have thought that a lease is an asset if you own it outright but not if it is purchased under staged payments. I could be wrong, which is why I phrased it as a question and not a statement.
The SMC make payments to the council from the proceeds of running the KC. Whether these count as ongoing payment for the lease or are covered under a condition of the lease I don't know.
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| All rivalry aside I can't see how anything that relates to any financial irregularities by the SMC and or Hull City Football Club would have any implications to Hull FC.
There maybe a period of uncertainty and if another management team is installed but perhaps this could be considered a positive if a new 'rugby friendly regime' is adopted.
However there may be much ado about nothing until anything concrete is founded - Best scenario may be a new SMC anyway!
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| Quote: Mrs Barista ""As Chairman of the SMC my decision is final with regard to the running of the Stadium, including what events do or do not take place. There is no complaints procedure"
I don't normally resort to name-calling, but, seriously, what a to$$er. "My decision is final" - 95% of "events" are covered by the original agreement anyway, so talk about bigging your part up.
I must admit if I received a letter telling me I "appear to be labouring under the misapprehension" about something and referring to "outposts of the Hull Civic empire" I'd not be happy. Just having money and a nice job doesn't exclude you from using common courtesy in a letter. He just comes across as a tit from that.
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| Quote: Standee "rlWhat a shame for the ill informed football hatersrl'"
Whilst you may be convinced by that article, it would appear that it has done little to ease the worries of quite a few city supporters who appear to be far from ill informed. (See BBC 606 site for City)
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| Quote: Chris28 "I must admit if I received a letter telling me I "appear to be labouring under the misapprehension" about something and referring to "outposts of the Hull Civic empire" I'd not be happy. Just having money and a nice job doesn't exclude you from using common courtesy in a letter. He just comes across as a tit from that.'"
Not a fadge?
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| Quote: Basil Fawlty "All rivalry aside I can't see how anything that relates to any financial irregularities by the SMC and or Hull City Football Club would have any implications to Hull FC.
There maybe a period of uncertainty and if another management team is installed but perhaps this could be considered a positive if a new 'rugby friendly regime' is adopted.
However there may be much ado about nothing until anything concrete is founded - Best scenario may be a new SMC anyway!
I vote for Basil to be put in charge of the SMC!
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| Quote: Uffa1964 "Not a fadge?'"
Oh yeah - forgot the word of the week!
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