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| Good move if it comes off IMO .
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| Unless it was for a coach who would immediately and dramatically change things (not sure we need it anyway atm), I see no real point in it mid-season.
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| Surely he'll be working under radford's guidance so I can't see anything but another pair of hands and some new ideas hopefully.
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| I think when he was here bfore and got the job with agar at wakey hull did not want him togo in the first place so that why he maybe coming back
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| This is a good move. Since Hay left we've needed a decent second. Its all down to Radford though, can he work with Webster?
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"No one has ever made himself great by showing how small someone else is". - Irvin Himmel
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| A few weeks ago a lot on here were calling for either LR to go or for AP to get some assistance in for LR. We were also stating our play was dull predictable and lets be honest garbage. Crowds were diminishing and even pass holders refusing to attend.
Fast forward a few weeks and things have changed dramatically. Before I go on I still feel we are only one poor peerformance away from doom and gloom again so I am far from satisfied.
It strikes me that the following has happened.
1) Senior members of the squad have stepped up to the plate in training. Ellis, Mini, and Pryce being the main three. Mini and Pryce at times despite giving 100% everytime their body language spoke volumes at times. They know what was needed and I strongly suspect that honest and frank discussions have taken place which no one on here is privy to.
2) Richard Horne has done more. He is apparently working overtime on video analysis. Is this at the expenses of the now out of work Paul Cooke?
3) Not forgetting those strike players that LR talked about are back. That doesn't excuse the poor performances we had at the start of the year with the same strike players in the team.
All this has resulted in a massive turn around in performances all be it we are still in amongst the all so rans and can not relax in our quest for top 8. I would say our form is that of a top 6 team at last and not a bottom four team. Lets hope that continues.
So why bring in Webster if the HDM is to be believed. Well yes some say it may upset the good roll we are on. I can see that.
I've seen some say its down to RH and the work he is doing. So why bring in someone to potentially upset that.Good point but...
RH has a responsibility for our junior development. He can not and should not be doing both full time work with the first team while trying to develop what is commonly believed to be our best crop of youngsters for a generation. Take our eyes off their development and we are back to square one. That is not what any of us want and is certainly not what Adam Pearson is about.
That for me is the crux of the matter. RH can continue with one or the other of his current duties, but he can not do both.
So Webster will step in. Do the job required and probably relish it after the job hes just had. It will benefit LR, the team and ultimatley us fans. It has to be worth a try.
Webster will know LR, RH, AL et al and they will know if they can work with him. I don't know much about LR but I am certain he will have had some say in any future recruitment be it playing staff or his coaching staff.
I'm not advocating a "more the merrier" attitude, but I think most of us agree that LR needed help and this is potentially a step in the right direction.
His playing record is irrelivant. How good a footballer was José Mourinho. Nuff said
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| Given the choice, would the preference be Cookey or Webster as assistant/attacking coach?
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| What can James Webster bring, that Leon Pryce (who's won everything, twice, and reached a level far greater than JW ever did) can't?
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| Quote: yello-belly "Given the choice, would the preference be Cookey or Webster as assistant/attacking coach?'"
webster every time. cooke has done nothing of note in the coaching game yet at the top level. webster has had a spell with us before when we improved as a team. the wakey team was left in a terrible mess by agar with little in the way of funds to improve their squad (they operate way below the cap) and anyway their chief problem has been woeful defence
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icons077e_files/5452-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg "Be you ever so high, the law is above you"
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| Quote: *1865* "What can James Webster bring, that Leon Pryce (who's won everything, twice, and reached a level far greater than JW ever did) can't?'"
A non playing role. I would love for Pryce to one day take on a coaching role (if he wants to go into coaching). But right now I'd prefer him to concentrate his time and effort on keeping fit and focused on things on the pitch. Though I do believe he will have had some imput into the apparent turn around in our playing style.
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| Quote: Graham Richards "A non playing role. I would love for Pryce to one day take on a coaching role (if he wants to go into coaching). But right now I'd prefer him to concentrate his time and effort on keeping fit and focused on things on the pitch. Though I do believe he will have had some imput into the apparent turn around in our playing style.'"
Do you not think that by Pryce in conjunction with Radford with regard the attacking strategy and its formulation that the analysis by the person directly involved with its implementation on the pitch is actually a better thing with greater understanding of what is being asked if you are part of the detailed process right at the beginning?
That's not to say that Pryce becomes a coach but if his input and indeed that of playmakers at an earlier stage gives more clarity/greater understanding of the how and why one would expect a better end result if that plan has any merit.
I'm sure Pryce is intelligent enough & experienced enough to not cave under a bit of added responsibility off the pitch, that said that responsibility can fall to some quite young and inexperienced, people are different, some are massively quick learners and/or are natural leaders, others are slow burners, some just want to be workhorses with fewer tasks but can carry them out superbly.
Poor understanding/poor communication of your plan is one of the major downfalls to achieve a goal
Add into that not all young men are good listeners and indeed can find it difficult to transfer that information into what is exactly required at X situation and further be able to adopt that accurately/repeatedly in a pressure situation (of a game of professional RL in this instance) AND to have the mental strength to correct failings/adopt changes in real time with minimal outside help, force yourself on physically, trying to nullify effects on your job (from a negative POV) it is hardly surprising you have some horrible outcomes and some very one sided games that on paper shouldn't be.
Trusting your soldiers as well as being honest and open with them not only can win you a battle & possibly even a war but it also gains you a hell of a lot of respect and from that you have a far greater chance of success, it's a symbiotic relationship.
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "Do you not think that by Pryce in conjunction with Radford with regard the attacking strategy and its formulation that the analysis by the person directly involved with its implementation on the pitch is actually a better thing with greater understanding of what is being asked if you are part of the detailed process right at the beginning?
That's not to say that Pryce becomes a coach but if his input and indeed that of playmakers at an earlier stage gives more clarity/greater understanding of the how and why one would expect a better end result if that plan has any merit.
I'm sure Pryce is intelligent enough & experienced enough to not cave under a bit of added responsibility off the pitch, that said that responsibility can fall to some quite young and inexperienced, people are different, some are massively quick learners and/or are natural leaders, others are slow burners, some just want to be workhorses with fewer tasks but can carry them out superbly.
Poor understanding/poor communication of your plan is one of the major downfalls to achieve a goal
Add into that not all young men are good listeners and indeed can find it difficult to transfer that information into what is exactly required at X situation and further be able to adopt that accurately/repeatedly in a pressure situation (of a game of professional RL in this instance) AND to have the mental strength to correct failings/adopt changes in real time with minimal outside help, force yourself on physically, trying to nullify effects on your job (from a negative POV) it is hardly surprising you have some horrible outcomes and some very one sided games that on paper shouldn't be.
Trusting your soldiers as well as being honest and open with them not only can win you a battle & possibly even a war but it also gains you a hell of a lot of respect and from that you have a far greater chance of success, it's a symbiotic relationship.'"
I strongly believe that our about turn in attacking play is mainly down to Leon and NOT LR or indeed RH. So I agree with you. But there is more to it than simply implimenting actions on the park. Analysis of opposition for one thing which I would not want a current player spending his time doing. Mental tiredness is as much a failing as well as physical.
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| Quote: Graham Richards "I strongly believe that our about turn in attacking play is mainly down to Leon and NOT LR or indeed RH. '"
Do you have any insider knowledge on this or is it purely a guess?
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| Quote: *1865* "What can James Webster bring, that Leon Pryce (who's won everything, twice, and reached a level far greater than JW ever did) can't?'"
5 years coaching experience?
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "Do you not think that by Pryce in conjunction with Radford with regard the attacking strategy and its formulation that the analysis by the person directly involved with its implementation on the pitch is actually a better thing with greater understanding of what is being asked if you are part of the detailed process right at the beginning?
That's not to say that Pryce becomes a coach but if his input and indeed that of playmakers at an earlier stage gives more clarity/greater understanding of the how and why one would expect a better end result if that plan has any merit.
I'm sure Pryce is intelligent enough & experienced enough to not cave under a bit of added responsibility off the pitch, that said that responsibility can fall to some quite young and inexperienced, people are different, some are massively quick learners and/or are natural leaders, others are slow burners, some just want to be workhorses with fewer tasks but can carry them out superbly.
Poor understanding/poor communication of your plan is one of the major downfalls to achieve a goal
Add into that not all young men are good listeners and indeed can find it difficult to transfer that information into what is exactly required at X situation and further be able to adopt that accurately/repeatedly in a pressure situation (of a game of professional RL in this instance) AND to have the mental strength to correct failings/adopt changes in real time with minimal outside help, force yourself on physically, trying to nullify effects on your job (from a negative POV) it is hardly surprising you have some horrible outcomes and some very one sided games that on paper shouldn't be.
Trusting your soldiers as well as being honest and open with them not only can win you a battle & possibly even a war but it also gains you a hell of a lot of respect and from that you have a far greater chance of success, it's a symbiotic relationship.'"
David Brent in the house.
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