You can add Manu to that list too, they are the 'spine' of the team that we should build around.

the rest have had their chances, or haven't ever been good enough.

Whiting is versitile but the wing position stretches his abilities. He has come in and done a good job there at times against players like Richards for defending the jump but to put him against an out and out speedster is risking it. Hence why he tried to shoot out of the line early.

I think Whiting and Washy should be ok as squad players if we get a good core 1,6,7,9 going next year. This will improve everyone's game and give us more structure, communication and set play/dummy runner options. Not every player has to be a star. If we get playing the right way, blooding young players in a successful team becomes easier and then success breeds success.

See Melbourne Storm: strong core 1,7,9,11(Blair). Some old warhorses and some promising youngsters and they are breeding SOO/internationals in all positions. Duffie, Widdup, Nielsen and Proctor not being far off.

Whiting is a great club man and a good back up player because he is generally safe as houses but he doesn't have speed and quality we need to challenge the teams above. Does anyone think he would walk into the starting 17 for the top 6 sl teams? I don't think he would. To be honest I'd rather send him elsewhere and have quality players with the back up players being Cunningham, Green, Aldous, Kent and a couple of other youngsters. That's what Saints, Wigan, Leeds and a few other SL clubs do. Get rid of the average and have a balance of quality and youth. Harsh but I think it needs to be done. I'd say bye to sharp, dowes, lauaki, radford, phelps, burnett, obst and whiting. Full on clear out!

How on earth can you say get rid of Whiting and then list half a dozen totally untried youngsters as the back up?

Personally I would add Tickle and Manu to your list.

The key word there is untried! Give them a go and see what they can do I say. As stated look at the amount of youngsters other SL teams bring through. It puzzles me because the junior leagues and under 18's and 20's tend to be competitive and strong. We might find a couple of hidden talents.

I agree.

What we have to consider is how would certain players improve with better coaching ?
Would Washy improve if we had a coach who would bring the best out in him, by playing to his strengths instead of dumping into whatever position is vacant that week.

A new coach and Bomber will no doubt be going throught he squad and marking up people for the chop. Most of those already mentioned will be on there way

Cant believe i forgot big willy
totally agree

Fook me. We usually have to wait at least until the off season before the clamour to get rid of Whiting begins. I don't know what the bloke has to do for some people to see his worth. Even if you don't rate him as a starter when everyone is fit, he's one of the best players to have for cover in the entire British game.

There's none so blind...

Just realised Whiting was not on his/her list....unbelievable I agree..

No sweat though the few posters on here may forget/not value him but the faithful clearly do!!

I would not consider him one of the best covers I consider him the best.

Can't think of any player who is better for cover. First bench spot every week.