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| Quote Mrs Barista="Mrs Barista"So in summary:
Rovers fecked up with Galea but had to bring Mason in to avoid looking utter @rses. They knew that, despite the agreement in Perpignan 2007 where all club chairmen, including Hudgell, signed up to a an agreement to actively close loopholes on overseas players, this quota arrangement was legally speaking unenforceable. Rovers have acted directly in contravention of the spirit of the agreement and exposed the quota rules, which were embraced to varying degrees by clubs, and ultimately the RFL, to public and high profile ridicule, purely to retain Galea for one more season. Bet Red Hall are made up. Hope Rule has something to say about this given our current position of 2 quota players. Utter farce.'"
That scenario requires the RFL to make some illogical decisions.
Assume the fault is all Rovers and Hull KR decide to bully their way out of it. This might work, though it'd be a bit timid of the RFL to accept it (possible admittedly). You'd think they'd at least describe the situation as 'disappointing' and embarras us. They seem happy enough.
More likely the RFL have been kept in the loop and are party to any f-up. This isn't the simplest way out. Give Ben Galea a 'bridging exemption' until his passport comes through rather than letting everybody with Islander heritage become fed-trained - it'd cause a few grumbles, but the rules survive.
The only conclusion I can see is that the RFL have decided that the rules are going to be unworkable/ineffective/irrelevant and were content to accept a [ide facto[/i return to pre-2008 rules. They still have 'club-trained', which is the route football is going down. That'll be easier for them and - if they build on it - possibly more effective.
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| @Scott HKR...
As the rules [istood[/i, there is no way Mason should qualify as fed-trained whatever passports he hold.
Moa and Lauaki should both now be eligible for fed-trained status.
The 3 Wigan players you mention were already here at the start of the 2008 season. That qualifies them as fed-trained (Hansen would anyway actually), and they have the right passports to get off the old quota.
Mason wasn't here for 2008 so shouldn't qualify as fed-trained - being off the old quota would be irrelevant.
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| Quote Scott_HKR="Scott_HKR"If you mean the rules the wigan fan posted on that forum, then Mason fits in with those I think.
It said that players with Kolpak Passports (Samoa, Tonga etc....) are exempt from quota. It then goes on to use Richards, Leuluai and Hansen as examples, so this must mean those three are Fed trained.
I think it would be helpful if the rules were clear for everyone to see.'"
Mason does not fit in with any of the rules. Being off quota is not the same as being Fed Trained. This is what I meant when I said that you don't understand the rules.
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| Quote Mild Rover="Mild Rover"The only conclusion I can see is that the RFL have decided that the rules are going to be unworkable/ineffective/irrelevant and were content to accept a [ide facto[/i return to pre-2008 rules. They still have 'club-trained', which is the route football is going down. That'll be easier for them and - if they build on it - possibly more effective.'"
The problem with that is the use of the phrase Federation Trained in the quote from the RFL. This is a phrase with a clear definition within the Operational Rules, and Mason equally clearly does not qualify. If they've just dropped the whole Non Fed/Fed Trained scenario then why bother to mention it and shine a light on the fundamental contradiction?
Anyway - I've actually emailed the RFL politely asking for a clarification. If I get a response I'll post it here. Not holding my breath, mind. 
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| Quote Kosh="Kosh"Mason does not fit in with any of the rules. Being off quota is not the same as being Fed Trained. This is what I meant when I said that you don't understand the rules.'"
Please, read what I am writing.
I am well aware that fed trained is not the same as being off quota. Quota, Non-Fed trained, Fed-trained and home grown are the 4 categories of players correct?
But, read what that link said. Wigan had their 5 spots filled by genuine quota players, at the time of writing that post, clubs were then allowed 1 further NON-FED trained player, and the rest had to be (minus the 6? I think homegrown players required) federation trained. However, it said they had 3 further players who were not on the quota. So at least 2 of them had to be in the same situation Mason is now - going on the FED TRAINED list due to passport - correct? Or does Pat Richards suddenly count as home grown?
And I also emailed the RFL asking for the situation to have light shed on lol. And it was an impartial email, clearly identifying that by the rules stated by the RFL, Mason should not be allowed to be fed trained. Equally, if I recieve a response, I will post it
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| Quote Scott_HKR="Scott_HKR"We have 5 quota players. End of discussion then is it not?
And for your information mate, Mason and our 300 aussies count as Federation trained, not non-federation.
Quota
Webster
Dobson
Galea
Green
Clinton
Federation
Ben Cockayne
Matt Cook
Craig Hall
Shaun Briscoe
Peter Fox
Ben Fisher - Qualifies due to date joined club, perfectly legal, read the rules
Jason Netherton
Josh Hodgson
Liam Colbon
Scott Wheeldon
Willie Mason - Qualifies due to holding Tongan passport.
Clint Newton - Qualifies due to having English mother, and having English passport.
Michael Vella - Qualifies due to date joined club, perfectly legal, read the rules.
Homegrown - Yes we do have some of these
Kris Welham
Jordan Cox
Liam Watts
Louis Sheriffe
Scott Taylor
Dave Peterson
Rhys Lovegrove - Qualifies as home grown due to age he joined club
Scott Murrell
Sam Latus
It is evident that the RFL allow Tongan etc. players to be counted as Federation trained (as they did PNG players), that is not my fault, that is not Morgan or Hudgell's fault, that is just the way it is.
Anymore questions?'"
I think what's encouraging is the way that Rovers are doing their very best to stay within the spirit of what the RL are trying to achieve with the quota rules. It's important not only to even up the competition but to develop British talent so that the northern hemisphere can compete at international level. Long gone are the days when Rovers needed to look for loopholes to get players such as Gene off the quota because they've been working hard on local player development. I applaud them. 
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| This is from a club who have used a loop hole to get a coach here.
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| Quote Scott_HKR="Scott_HKR"Please, read what I am writing.
I am well aware that fed trained is not the same as being off quota. Quota, Non-Fed trained, Fed-trained and home grown are the 4 categories of players correct?
But, read what that link said. Wigan had their 5 spots filled by genuine quota players, at the time of writing that post, clubs were then allowed 1 further NON-FED trained player, and the rest had to be (minus the 6? I think homegrown players required) federation trained. However, it said they had 3 further players who were not on the quota. So at least 2 of them had to be in the same situation Mason is now - going on the FED TRAINED list due to passport - correct? =#FF0000Or does Pat Richards suddenly count as home grown?
And I also emailed the RFL asking for the situation to have light shed on lol. And it was an impartial email, clearly identifying that by the rules stated by the RFL, Mason should not be allowed to be fed trained. Equally, if I recieve a response, I will post it'"
The difference between Richards and Mason is that Richards was here in 2008. If Richards came across now, he'd be non-fed.
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| Quote Mild Rover="Mild Rover"The difference between Richards and Mason is that Richards was here in 2008. If Richards came across now, he'd be non-fed.'"
It would be so counter-productive if such a loophole exists. It would blow a hole in everything the RFL has been trying to achieve over the last 10 years with regard to British and mainland European player development. Very disappointing for the game as a whole if true.
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| Quote Scott_HKR="Scott_HKR"Please, read what I am writing.'"
I am.
Quote Scott_HKR="Scott_HKR"But, read what that link said. Wigan had their 5 spots filled by genuine quota players, at the time of writing that post, clubs were then allowed 1 further NON-FED trained player, and the rest had to be (minus the 6? I think homegrown players required) federation trained. However, it said they had 3 further players who were not on the quota. So at least 2 of them had to be in the same situation Mason is now - going on the FED TRAINED list due to passport - correct? Or does Pat Richards suddenly count as home grown?'"
You need to go back and read that link again. It doesn't say what you think it says.
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| I hope Scott isn't advising Rovers on this
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| But Leo-Latu the Kiwi who also played for Tonga has been playing in this country for a few seasons and is refused a re-entry visa.
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