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Quote: Staffs FC "I agree that's a reasonable stance to take. However were this team to build/improve in the second half of the season and finish in the top 6 Agar would have earned the right to an extension - maybe one year only - but nonetheless an extension. As I said elsewhere if we win the next 2 games it will have been a good start, win one of them and the jury would still be out. Lose both and the losses against the so called lower teams will cost him I think. It's a results based business and his destiny should and will be determined by results this year.

I think there are plans for further player movements at the end of this season and it seems to me the Board would prefer to give him two years to get things right (this being the first) however a disasterous run would likely, and rightly, change that.

With regard to the development of players there could be an issue there although unless anyone has actually been coached by Agar it would be difficult to comment with any authority (although that rarely prevents many authorities on here

My main problem is the style of rugby, the only reason we look slightly bettre this season is because we have better personnel. Fitz - Radford at 13, O'Meeley - King at 10, Long - Thorman at 7 etc etc. We are still playing the same dour rugby we did last season. I know Horne and Long have not had much gametime together which hasn't helped but imo the two games we have lost in Wales and last Saturday was down to the players not being motivated and Agar has to take responsibility for that. We only seem to have a plan A, drive up the middle and then hope for a magic play from someone.

In terms of development, what is happening with Briscoe? If he is to become a centre than what are we doing to prepare him for this. Are we simply going to say next season, there you go Tom start in the centres, if so we might aswell do that now. Has he been spoken to regarding his positional play and his handling of kicks? I can't see no evidence of this. Why has no one worked with Yeaman with regards to how to put his winger away? Why is Hall still a poor defender? Why does Houghton seem no better than 2 years ago? These are issues that need working on because from what I can see players like Brown, Robinson, Griffen and Crabtree at Hudds along with Mossop, Tomkins and even Fielden at Wigan are showing big improvements to their game.

It's not all about Agar either, what is Moore bringing to the party?

Even if we finish in the top 6 I am still not convinced that Agar is the man to take us to the top and that is what we should be aiming for otherwise what is the point. I will still support hima nd the team 100% as he is doing a decent job I just think we deserve better than decent.

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Quote: Big Dave T "Did you read the follow up posts/discussion?'"
Did you retract that statement?

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Quote: east hull FC fan "Did you retract that statement?'"


No i explained my rationale. Did you still not read it? icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Big Dave T "No i explained my rationale. Did you still not read it? icon_wink.gif

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Quote: east hull FC fan "Yeah, but i'd still rather look bad and win than look good and lose
I would to some extent. But the more bad you look the more chance you have of losing over a lengthly period of time. I'd rather we focussed on performing rather than winning ugly and then i'm sure winning will come.

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Quote: Big Dave T "I would to some extent. But the more bad you look the more chance you have of losing over a lengthly period of time. I'd rather we focussed on performing rather than winning ugly and then i'm sure winning will come.'"
The problem with that is we aren't built to be a flair team that scores points for fun, we don't have the backs. We could have a really good performance but only win by 6-12 points, that's just the way our squad is built.

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Quote: east hull FC fan "The problem with that is we aren't built to be a flair team that scores points for fun, we don't have the backs. We could have a really good performance but only win by 6-12 points, that's just the way our squad is built.'"


I disagree. I think we have some real quality in the backs if they are given good ball. I also think playing well doesn't always mean throwing the ball about massively although i would like to see our wingers score more wingers tries.

We have a great pack, international halves and quality backs. Sadly we choose to only use the great pack element of that.

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Quote: Big Dave T "I disagree. I think we have some real quality in the backs if they are given good ball. I also think playing well doesn't always mean throwing the ball about massively although i would like to see our wingers score more wingers tries.

We have a great pack, international halves and quality backs. Sadly we choose to only use the great pack element of that.'"


We have the fourth best attack in the league averaging almost 25 points per game despite losing one of each our half backs for a total of 5 matches and having badly failed to put the lower clubs to the sword. If we were really that dour would we have that many points ? Our biggest letdown this year has been our away defensive form.

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Quote: Big Dave T "I disagree. I think we have some real quality in the backs if they are given good ball. I also think playing well doesn't always mean throwing the ball about massively although i would like to see our wingers score more wingers tries.

We have a great pack, international halves and quality backs. Sadly we choose to only use the great pack element of that.'"
Jeez, you're definitely "glass half full" about our backs. icon_biggrin.gif
Our back line is all wrong IMO, there's only Yeaman playing in his correct position.

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Quote: east hull FC fan "Jeez, you're definitely "glass half full" about our backs.
I am. I think:
Tansey - ability to be a GB full back in future years
Calderwood - still one of the best finishers in the game and we miss him defensively when he doesnt play
Whiting - can play anywhere and look good
Hall - naturally one of the most gifted young British centres in the game. Wish we would play him left centre and allow him to play his natural game.
Briscoe - used as cover on the wing this year and looks out of position. Cant wait for him to be able to be played in the centres.
Yeamo - Still one of the best British centres in SL but he gets little service and defensively has looked suspect of late. I'd like to see him moved to the right centre to accomodate Hall.
Turner - will be a top 6 in the future but for now gives good options in the centres.
Lyne - has a big future
Jack Briscoe - will be interesting to see what we do in a year or two's time with Tansey when Jack breaks through.

Plenty to be 'glass half full' about imo.

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Quote: Big Dave T "Our pack have put the platform down for us to score those points in tight games. Imagine how many points we'd have scored if we had decent ball to our backline.'"


Of course the pack have laid the platform how else does it normally work ? Saints' and Leeds' and more recently Wigan's packs have also laid platforms for them when they have been scoring points. I hope that by next season we have improved our backline with more strike power but however you dress it up we have a decent attacking record. Poor defence (attitude) has cost us this year in the games we have lost.

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Quote: Staffs FC "Of course the pack have laid the platform how else does it normally work ? Saints' and Leeds' and more recently Wigan's packs have also laid platforms for them when they have been scoring points. I hope that by next season we have improved our backline with more strike power but however you dress it up we have a decent attacking record. Poor defence (attitude) has cost us this year in the games we have lost.'"


There's a risk here that we confuse decent attacking record with performance.

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