Long term I think we have in Turner, unfortunately I think we need something a lot sooner! I'd be tempted to give Turner a run of games at 6. Calderwood in for hall who will move to left centre, bin off yeaman, but 7 is the problem. Tansey? But then who goes to FB? I don't want Horne anywhere near the team ATM. We could move whiting there but who goes to Centre?

He is just holding us back now.

The simple option to me seems to be, 7.Berrigan 6. Washy/Turner and 9.Houghton. We don't need to panic.

but the thing is we are ,and we all had our reasons for this and just proved we were right with todays performance he cant produce without someone leading him around unfortunately

I believe Berro is more effective at 9

Which is why he should have never got a contract in 2008.

Id be less willing to move berro from 9 than Tansey from 1. I'm a firm believer that after your SH your 9 is the most important player.

Berrigan has good experience in the halves and would cause less disruptions.

He is a world class 9, he has not delivered for 2 seasons due to being shoved in the halfs, he looks good this year back at 9

He's never played much 9 in his career.

Washy was as ineffective at 6 as Horne was at 7 today. Berrigan needs to play 9 as Houghton offers little IMO.

I know you're trying to minimise disruption but I really think that our only option at 7 is Tansey. If Calders is fit I'd be tempted to shift Hall to 6 with Turner partnering Calders at centre and Whiting to FB. Keep both Washy and Horne away from the halves while Long is out.

We knew that from his efforts at SH in 2007. Horne never has been a leader, even at his best. He's an out-and-out running back and works well alongside a creative SH but is lost without one. Today's HB pairing was doomed to fail and I'm not sure why Agar thought it was worth a try.

Which for me is the worry about Agar, has he learnt anything in his time in charge or is it still going to be same old same old when the influence of Long is not out on the field?

I hope it was just a bad day at the office but it shows alot work is needed on a back up halfback pairing

Blaming Horne is unfair. He did not have a great game but so many times he was left unsupported but the players around him. It's a big season for Horne, if he does not get back to form I can see us signing a SO for next season.

He needs options though and today we gave him none, that said he still needs to make better decision and do things at pace rather than being stood still.

Shadow of his former self, sadly. As much as it pains me to say it, he is weakening our side at the moment. Never looked the same since the neck injury and diabetes problems.