[quote="Theeaststander1":296kbtuq]It baffles me why Hull FC churn out articles every year during pre-season, especially with quotes like that. Just let the action do the talking.[/quote:296kbtuq] If we just let the action do the talking there’d be no journalism and you’d have only the games to complain about. Any articles on rugby league are publicity. On that subject, and I think it’s been said elsewhere, our game lack marketable personalities eg the bad boys like we had in the 90s and naughtiest - Barrie Mac, Adrian Morley, further back Andy Gregory etc.Because the game has clamped down on head tackles which I understand and red cards for throwing punches it loses some of its appeal. I think that a retaliatory punch should perhaps be treated with some leniency depending on circumstances. Aside I still think that quality RL is the best team sport. See state of origin!

[quote="Theeaststander1":38iotr5s]? Open forum but you’re getting upset Weird And nobodies ‘outed’ anything, you got beat 64-8 behind closed doors ? Nobody challenged that[/quote:38iotr5s] Any evidence in this, as the only person saying this is you. The game probably wasn't 80 minutes, probably no conversions, so you are saying that York scored 16 trys. You told us Sneyd and Cross was done. Stick to Twitter, that's your level, arguing with every fan of other clubs.

Absolutely no chance that isn't somewhere on social media if we got beat by that score.

[quote="mk_fc":3ozv2sph]I didnt think they where allowed to register anyone..[/quote:3ozv2sph] Just seen an article by Aaron Bowers on the Salford situation and he seems to think that they can, but they won’t be able to exceed the 1.2 million sustainably cap until the takeover is completed, any signings like Chan would count towards that. He seems to think that they have £2 million worth of wages on the books at moment, but this ‘RFL sustainability cap’ means they can only register £1.2 million on the salary cap. A players wage only counts on the cap when they play a competitive game so if the takeover isn’t completed by the cup game on the weekend they’ll either have to sell players or have £800K worth of wages sat in the stand, which won’t be a problem for the cup game they’ll just play a reserve team but will be the same for the first league game if it’s not completed by then. The sustainability cap seems a daft idea to me and achieves nothing to help anyone if that’s true.

[quote="Theeaststander1":uk7pt7o4]Last time I checked he was the hull fc head coach[/quote:uk7pt7o4] Bit of a weird thing to check,suppose it goes with the territory eh

On the subject of articles/interviews this pre-season, I think that it's pretty obvious that the message FC are trying to project (and doing a good job of doing so IMO) is that of a fresh start. Forget last season (the last few seasons even), forget what you might have heard about what was going on behind the scenes because we're a new regime and we've made changes and will continue to make changes to try and be successful once more. This is being aimed at supporters to encourage pass sales and per match tickets but also a message to the wider game, particularly players and agents. They're marketing the club in the only way that they can until the season actually starts. It's also got a completely different tone to previous years in that it comes across as grounded and realistic. Any talk of success and ambition is something that we are aiming to build towards rather than immediate promises. This isn't the bullish stuff of being up there competing for honours with a full cap and competitive squad that we've grown used to. It's different.

[quote="DSJ1983":1h3ei2x0]Just seen an article by Aaron Bowers on the Salford situation and he seems to think that they can, but they won’t be able to exceed the 1.2 million sustainably cap until the takeover is completed, any signings like Chan would count towards that. He seems to think that they have £2 million worth of wages on the books at moment, but this ‘RFL sustainability cap’ means they can only register £1.2 million on the salary cap. A players wage only counts on the cap when they play a competitive game so if the takeover isn’t completed by the cup game on the weekend they’ll either have to sell players or have £800K worth of wages sat in the stand, which won’t be a problem for the cup game they’ll just play a reserve team but will be the same for the first league game if it’s not completed by then. The sustainability cap seems a daft idea to me and achieves nothing to help anyone if that’s true.[/quote:1h3ei2x0] I agree that sounds daft. What good would having £800k worth of players unregistered do them? They'd still be paying them which won't relieve their financial burdens. Madness if true. Hopefully the takeover is completed quickly for them.

[quote="Hullfc-white":1vly1h8w]Hull fc haven’t, it’s a bbc article.It baffles me why you’re bothered?[/quote:1vly1h8w] Rovers fan gets upset after Hull hold media day.

[quote="mwindass":3hbo8o1u]Rovers fan gets upset after Hull hold media day.[/quote:3hbo8o1u] Was peeking over the fence with his binoculars.

[quote="Roam Ranger":sz5k0b3g]I agree that sounds daft. What good would having £800k worth of players unregistered do them? They'd still be paying them which won't relieve their financial burdens. Madness if true. Hopefully the takeover is completed quickly for them.[/quote:sz5k0b3g] That’s what I thought, it just potentially devalues the early rounds of the competition but does nothing to change the clubs financial circumstances. Unless I’ve not understood but I’m sure that’s what he’s saying. https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/wh ... strictions

[quote="Roam Ranger":sz5k0b3g]I agree that sounds daft. What good would having £800k worth of players unregistered do them? They'd still be paying them which won't relieve their financial burdens. Madness if true. Hopefully the takeover is completed quickly for them.[/quote:sz5k0b3g] That’s what I thought, it just potentially devalues the early rounds of the competition but does nothing to change the clubs financial circumstances. Unless I’ve not understood but I’m sure that’s what he’s saying. https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/wh ... strictions

[quote="Roam Ranger":37ml3so9]On the subject of articles/interviews this pre-season, I think that it's pretty obvious that the message FC are trying to project (and doing a good job of doing so IMO) is that of a fresh start. Forget last season (the last few seasons even), forget what you might have heard about what was going on behind the scenes because we're a new regime and we've made changes and will continue to make changes to try and be successful once more. This is being aimed at supporters to encourage pass sales and per match tickets but also a message to the wider game, particularly players and agents. They're marketing the club in the only way that they can until the season actually starts. It's also got a completely different tone to previous years in that it comes across as grounded and realistic. Any talk of success and ambition is something that we are aiming to build towards rather than immediate promises. This isn't the bullish stuff of being up there competing for honours with a full cap and competitive squad that we've grown used to. It's different.[/quote:37ml3so9] Completely agree with the above. As you say RR, the whole off-season media campaign has being about instilling some positive thinking into the fan base (fresh start, new broom, new objectives, etc.). It puts across the idea that everyone connected with the club is rolling their sleeves up and are tackling the numerous problems surrounding the club which need addressing if we are to make any progress. Communicating with the fan base is simply one aspect of the 'new-start' program we hope will bring results. If Myler/Cartwright/Anybody else said nothing, we would all be up in arms asking (rightly) where is the interaction with supporters. At the other extreme, if Cartwright came out and said it's Old Trafford or bust in 2025 I reckon we would all be saying all he's done is set us up for an almighty fall! But that clearly isn't the case. All JC has said, ever since he set foot in the place, is that he believes success will return to the club [i:37ml3so9][u:37ml3so9]in time[/u:37ml3so9][/i:37ml3so9], not necessarily immediately, but [u:37ml3so9][i:37ml3so9]in time[/i:37ml3so9][/u:37ml3so9]. He was asked a question in an interview and he answered it honestly and in a straightforward manner. What is he supposed to do exactly in that situation? sit there like a dumb waiter, staring into space, saying nothing! He is the Hull Fc coach speaking, primarily, to Hull Fc fans as part of his duties as a Hull Fc coach, can't say I can see too much of a problem with this! nor, I suspect, will any other black & white. Let's face it, he's hardly coming across like Jose Mourinho when he first arrived at Chelsea, is he, shouting the odds through a megaphone from the rooftops!! Seriously cannot see what the problem is here. Still, each to their own, eh!!

[quote="DSJ1983":rrwzlv6c]That’s what I thought, it just potentially devalues the early rounds of the competition but does nothing to change the clubs financial circumstances. Unless I’ve not understood but I’m sure that’s what he’s saying. https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/wh ... strictions[/quote:rrwzlv6c] I have read and re-read the article and I am understanding it the same way as you. The only takeaway I am getting from it is that the RFL can't force Salford's hand unless they fail to meet their payroll. The sustainability cap just reads like a symbolic gesture. I'm starting to wonder if it can even legally be enforced. What would actually happen if Salford decided to go full strength against Saints in the opening round?

[quote="DSJ1983":rrwzlv6c]That’s what I thought, it just potentially devalues the early rounds of the competition but does nothing to change the clubs financial circumstances. Unless I’ve not understood but I’m sure that’s what he’s saying. https://www.loverugbyleague.com/post/wh ... strictions[/quote:rrwzlv6c] I have read and re-read the article and I am understanding it the same way as you. The only takeaway I am getting from it is that the RFL can't force Salford's hand unless they fail to meet their payroll. The sustainability cap just reads like a symbolic gesture. I'm starting to wonder if it can even legally be enforced. What would actually happen if Salford decided to go full strength against Saints in the opening round?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-le ... n=sharebar Interview with Hardaker in the mirror. Hope it doesn't upset our resident Rovers fan too much

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-le ... n=sharebar Interview with Hardaker in the mirror. Hope it doesn't upset our resident Rovers fan too much

after what I've read and heard about Moy, think there is a good chance he starts the season at FB.

[quote="Dave K.":vbaobi9l]after what I've read and heard about Moy, think there is a good chance he starts the season at FB.[/quote:vbaobi9l] Looking like that's what will happen. If that's the case I'd go Moy, Barron, Hardaker, Rapana, Martin

[quote="Dave K.":3ktnt25v]after what I've read and heard about Moy, think there is a good chance he starts the season at FB.[/quote:3ktnt25v] Looks that way doesn't it, I'm excited to see how he goes. That left centre spot still looks the weakest in the back line, could be any of Chamberlain/Briscoe/Rapana but none of them really stand out. Be interesting to see how we start at Cas, might give us a bit more of a clue of Cartwright's thoughts.

[quote="Dave K.":dxy805fy]after what I've read and heard about Moy, think there is a good chance he starts the season at FB.[/quote:dxy805fy] Sounds like a real possibility. Big raps from Raps this morning in Hull Live. He gets mentioned constantly as somebody who is standing out in training.

[quote="mwindass":33cz2euq]Looking like that's what will happen. If that's the case I'd go Moy, Barron, Hardaker, Rapana, Martin[/quote:33cz2euq] Me too, but think Briscoe will be on one wing and out of Barton and Martin for the other wing. Good to have some options and competition.

[quote="Hasbag":3nx79xpt]Sounds like a real possibility. Big raps from Raps this morning in Hull Live. He gets mentioned constantly as somebody who is standing out in training.[/quote:3nx79xpt] Waiting for the Rovers fan to tell us he has been watching from the bushes at Hull Uni and Moy has been rubbish.

[quote="Dave K.":1zrmk8to]Me too, but think Briscoe will be on one wing and out of Barton and Martin for the other wing. Good to have some options and competition.[/quote:1zrmk8to] I think you'll be right to start the season but hopefully Martin will displace Briscoe as the season goes on

I found this an interesting read particularly about the ability now for other clubs to approach players contacted for this season after 1st December and the fact that some clubs will hear players are leaving and say "Just go then if you don't want to play for us" I expect that will eventually be the case for at least one young player at our club but only time will tell. There will be a lot of movement in the next couple of months across the game as things become more clear with clubs approaching players with less than a year left on their contracts and it will be interesting to see which clubs retain those players and which ones say well If you don't want to play for us then 'Bugger" off! https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... ll-9899095

I found this an interesting read particularly about the ability now for other clubs to approach players contacted for this season after 1st December and the fact that some clubs will hear players are leaving and say "Just go then if you don't want to play for us" I expect that will eventually be the case for at least one young player at our club but only time will tell. There will be a lot of movement in the next couple of months across the game as things become more clear with clubs approaching players with less than a year left on their contracts and it will be interesting to see which clubs retain those players and which ones say well If you don't want to play for us then 'Bugger" off! https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... ll-9899095

Moy will be FB and Rapana on the wing until injuries hit , and they will. But until then Moy FB and Rapana wing

[quote="The Dentist Wilf":6y43jwe7]I found this an interesting read particularly about the ability now for other clubs to approach players contacted for this season after 1st December and the fact that some clubs will hear players are leaving and say "Just go then if you don't want to play for us" I expect that might eventually be the case for at least one young player at our club but only time will tell. There will be a lot of movement in the next couple of months across the game as things become more clear with clubs approaching players with less than a year left on their contracts and it will be interesting to see which clubs retain those players and which ones say well If you don't want to play for us then 'Bugger" off! https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... ll-9899095[/quote:6y43jwe7] Out of all the young players who the December 1st tamper deadline would be applicable with there’s only really Barron not signed up yet who I’d lose sleep over, and I think the indication is that a new deal for him will happen sooner or later anyways. The others on the list have potential but agree if they don’t want to be here/commit maybe best to move them on early.

[quote="The Dentist Wilf":6y43jwe7]I found this an interesting read particularly about the ability now for other clubs to approach players contacted for this season after 1st December and the fact that some clubs will hear players are leaving and say "Just go then if you don't want to play for us" I expect that might eventually be the case for at least one young player at our club but only time will tell. There will be a lot of movement in the next couple of months across the game as things become more clear with clubs approaching players with less than a year left on their contracts and it will be interesting to see which clubs retain those players and which ones say well If you don't want to play for us then 'Bugger" off! https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... ll-9899095[/quote:6y43jwe7] Out of all the young players who the December 1st tamper deadline would be applicable with there’s only really Barron not signed up yet who I’d lose sleep over, and I think the indication is that a new deal for him will happen sooner or later anyways. The others on the list have potential but agree if they don’t want to be here/commit maybe best to move them on early.

[quote="Tarquin Fuego":33x8ayqh]Moy will be FB and Rapana on the wing until injuries hit , and they will. But until then Moy FB and Rapana wing[/quote:33x8ayqh] I'd be shocked if Rapana plays on the wing at the start of the season, particularly with the wingers we have

Always thought they might fancy Rapana at centre, if they started the first game with a backline of Moy, Martin, Rapana, Hardaker and Barron that would certainly address any concerns about pace. Depends on how much emphasis Cartwright has on making meters from kick returns and out of back field. I think it will be a big thing and possibly why Barron has the 2 shirt as he looked really strong out of dummy half. With that in mind still think he’ll want Rapana to start at 1 and Briscoe on the field maybe over Martin. Even with a decent rub of the green with injuries it’s unlikely we’ll often have the first choice 17 available so good to have options.