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| Quote: Doc Brown "At the end of the day for me it is not a simple case of changing the coach. We've been changing coaches for years and we've not seen any changes to the inconsistencies that have plagued the club. There needs to be a serious clear out and cleanup at the club as we try to get to the root of the problem. If ever there was a time for allowing a coach the time he needs to build his own team it is probably now.
But is Radford the coach to bring about these changes and be given that time? The answer for me is no. We're not playing any better under Radford than we was under Gentle. On the face of it we seem to be worse. Radford doesn't appear to know what his best team is based on his constant rotation and questionable selections, our defence is looking worse than last year and our attack looks just as clueless as in other years. His public criticism of players doesn't seem to be having any effect on the players other than on Ben Crooks who seems to be bereft of confidence. That's not good. Nor is his public admittance that he doesn't know what the problem with the team is or how to address it. It is a problem that has affected our previous coaches but Radford was supposed to be the man that had the answers.
Most crucially though, we currently sit 10th in the table and based on current form we're more likely to slip further down the table rather than up it. For a team that finished 6th for the previous two years that is not good enough. A change in coach should be for the better but that doesn't appear to be the case with Radford.
Now it is not up to me whether Radford goes or not. It is AP's decision and his alone. If Radford stays then I hope he can turn this around and show us why he got the job in the first place. But whether he stays or goes, the man in charge needs a good background staff supporting him. Based on what is available on the club website we look light in this area compared to other clubs. We've got some great training facilities but without the staff then we're hindering ourselves.
On the playing front, the squad we have is largely the same team that finished 6th two years on the bounce and that is the level we are at. If we are to become a top club then in the long term we must rid ourselves of the players that have been guilty of the complacent, halfhearted, efforts that we have seen in the past. Players like Shaul and Westerman give their all every week for the team and these are the players we must keep and encourage others to follow their example. If they can't then they should leave at the earliest opportunity. More importantly though, in the short term we must simply stop this slide we are currently on, find a way to dig deep and turn these results around. If we don't, I fear the worst for our season and the club as a whole.'"
Nail on the head
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| Given that we've worked our way through a whole load of coaches over the last ten years, and the same problems have kept occurring, I think it's fair to assume that the coach isn't entirely the problem.
Personally, I think we've settled for mediocrity for too long. Gone are the days when we went out and bought Barnett, Jason Smith, Prescott, Kearney etc. Fitzgibbon and O'Meley were probably the last examples, and they were coming to the end of their careers. This started under Sharp, continued under Agar, when we were using our Ozzie quota for players like Cusack, Byrne, Dykes etc who were either physically shot or no better than the players we could have found at Halifax, Doncaster, Batley etc.
I like Pearson's idea of bringing through a whole load of youth players, and hopefully it will free up money to supplement them with some really big signings. But then I do wonder about Pearson... He talks a lot about Wigan and their set up but they have dozens of support staff, focusing on every area of the team and the club. We have none of that, and don't seem to be trying to rectify that.
What I don't like, and haven't liked since it was announced, is the appointment of Radford as coach. For me, he was one of our most indisciplined players - and now, lo and behold, the discipline of the team on the pitch is shocking. That Rankin penalty at the start of the second half on Saturday summed it up for me. That reminded me of the sort of penalty Radford used to give away himself.
We all recognise there is a problem with the culture of the players at the club - only here for the beer etc - so to appoint somebody who has been an integral part of that culture as the head coach was asking for trouble in my opinion.
It was never going to work, but I thought it might go marginally better than this. Now it's falling apart he's thrashing around.
Can somebody explain to me how you can loan Arundel to Bradford - who will be eyeing us up as a team to overtake if they get their points back - and then a fortnight later pick a winger at centre and moan about how few centres you've got?
IMO Pearson has to bite the bullet, get on the plane, go to Australia with a blank cheque and bring back an experienced, hard line, successful Australian coach. Not an assistant coach, a coach. Somebody proven. It will cost the absolute earth, but it's going to cost him more in the long run through lost ticket money, lost merchandise money, lost prize money and money frittered away on loads and loads of signings like Liam Colbon and Jason Crookes if he doesn't do it.
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| Everyone agrees that the club needs a change in culture amongst other more tangible things and it's disappointing that after almost 3 years under pearson we're not further on than we'd like. Where some seem to disagree is who is the best man (coach) to help implement these changes. Some say radford, some not. My take on it is that radford may well be the man but entrusting him with it is a major risk and one I don't think the club can afford to take. He may turn out to be a great coach but at this stage his abilities are unknown. Would you trust a major change project within your organisation to someone with no experience or would you bring in someone with a proven track record? Entrusting it to a first time coach with barely any time as an understudy is asking for trouble. I hope pearson wises up quickly and brings in someone with a proven track record. I don't mind if radford stays to learn from him but unless pearson want to be looking at financial meltdown then he needs to act
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "Everyone agrees that the club needs a change in culture amongst other more tangible things and it's disappointing that after almost 3 years under pearson we're not further on than we'd like. Where some seem to disagree is who is the best man (coach) to help implement these changes. Some say radford, some not. My take on it is that radford may well be the man but entrusting him with it is a major risk and one I don't think the club can afford to take. He may turn out to be a great coach but at this stage his abilities are unknown. Would you trust a major change project within your organisation to someone with no experience or would you bring in someone with a proven track record? Entrusting it to a first time coach with barely any time as an understudy is asking for trouble. I hope pearson wises up quickly and brings in someone with a proven track record. I don't mind if radford stays to learn from him but unless pearson want to be looking at financial meltdown then he needs to act'"
I can fully understand that point of view. But if not Radford, who?
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| Quote: *1865* "I can fully understand that point of view. But if not Radford, who?'"
That's not my choice to make. if it were then I'd weigh up the likely cost of someone I could almost certainly trust to do it against the likely cost of radford not doing it then I'd go out and get the best person I could within that budget. Likely be an ozzie and likely cost a wedge but the cost in real terms would be less than I'd lose if radford does't work which could see every penny pearson has spent to date and much more go down the pan.
What makes you so sure radford is the man to trust the future of the club with?
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| Quote: Dave K. "Serious question, but have you ever seen him play?'"
Is this something you ask everyone who disagrees with you?
I'm not sure what makes you think he is at the same level or even improved since his last spell in RL.
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| Quote: Rupert Pupkin "Is this something you ask everyone who disagrees with you?
I'm not sure what makes you think he is at the same level or even improved since his last spell in RL.'"
Can't be any worse than Sam Moa in your opinion, surely!
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| Quote: Rupert Pupkin "Is this something you ask everyone who disagrees with you?
I'm not sure what makes you think he is at the same level or even improved since his last spell in RL.'"
Surley it's a good question, not worried about your opinion, we could sign Thurston and you would put a negative spin on it, your constant drivel on here about anything Hull FC is pathetic.
The funniest thing is the fact you support a team that has won nothing major for nearly 30 years, in fact when was the last time you made a major final? The way you go on about us, you would think you supported the worlds greatest team.
It's good that you are sticking up for Standee, you have about the same rugby knowledge.
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30566.jpg I don't see it as a job. It is a passion and love that we all share. Neil Hudgell:30566.jpg |
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "Can't be any worse than Sam Moa in your opinion, surely!'"
Did ok in SL, not a stand out prop by the way, done very well at the Chucks.
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30566.jpg I don't see it as a job. It is a passion and love that we all share. Neil Hudgell:30566.jpg |
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| Quote: Dave K. "Surley it's a good question, not worried about your opinion, we could sign Thurston and you would put a negative spin on it, your constant drivel on here about anything Hull FC is pathetic.
The funniest thing is the fact you support a team that has won nothing major for nearly 30 years, in fact when was the last time you made a major final? The way you go on about us, you would think you supported the worlds greatest team.
It's good that you are sticking up for Standee, you have about the same rugby knowledge.'"
Why don't you dig up my comments on Paea or Carvell? At least get it right!
Not at all but I know where our club is, I don't live in dream land like the majority on here who think your a big club and have the right to beat any team in SL!
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| Quote: Rupert Pupkin "Why don't you dig up my comments on Paea or Carvell? At least get it right!
Not at all but I know where our club is, I don't live in dream land like the majority on here who think your a big club and have the right to beat any team in SL!'"
Ok then, what's your opinion of Sa, do you think he is a good signing for Hull at centre?
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "What makes you so sure radford is the man to trust the future of the club with?'"
I'm not, I'm just sick of the endless cycle of failure. I think Radford could be that man as he fits the profile of what AP wants. He's determined, focused, identifies with the club and has been successful as a player. It's also important that Radford knows exactly where the problems lie in our club, he's been very public in stating it. He's also an honest guy, and I think if he thought he couldn't do the job he'd be honest enough to admit it.
I think AP is very clear in what he wants, if he thought it was going wrong he'd change it before it gets too far.
We have to trust somebody some day, I think i'd rather it was somebody who was a fan like me.
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| Quote: Dave K. "Ok then, what's your opinion of Sa, do you think he is a good signing for Hull at centre?'"
I don't know, I asked what made you think his game could have improved? He was good at Catalan but has since been playing in an inferior game to RL, with inferior training and playing with inferior players. Not sure about his injury record but some have mentioned it ain't great. Get the player he was at Catalan and he will be a decent signing.
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| Quote: Rupert Pupkin "I don't know, I asked what made you think his game could have improved? He was good at Catalan but has since been playing in an inferior game to RL, with inferior training and playing with inferior players. Not sure about his injury record but some have mentioned it ain't great. Get the player he was at Catalan and he will be a decent signing.'"
So at best it will be a DECENT signing ?
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