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| Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "Well I am.
Just to be clear, I think he has contributed well and has more than justified the decision to bring him back. But he is only a small part of the reason we have won 3 on the spin. Lots of other things have happened as well. You could argue that his presence has inspired more from the other players and that is what has turned us around, but that is completely subjective.'"
Well surely if that's the case, then hes a massive reason for the turn around. I think your right by the way, in terms of him inspiring everyone around him |
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| Quote: Tinkerman23 "Well surely if that's the case, then hes a massive reason for the turn around. I think your right by the way'"
I think we're all agreed, we need to keep doing whatever it takes to keep winning! |
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| Quote: Tinkerman23 "Well surely if that's the case, then hes a massive reason for the turn around. I think your right by the way, in terms of him inspiring everyone around him'"
Ellis, like a lot of great players, does seem to have a knack of getting others around him to up their game. But as I said, it's subjective. Effort isn't everything, I thought the effort against KR and Cas was good, but it got us nowhere. The difference now imo is that we are executing better and playing a more positive brand of rugby. Ellis isn't the reason for that.
I almost feel like I am being critical of Ellis, that really isn't my intention at all. I just feel that too much is being made of the difference he has made. Other people have been more influential. |
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| Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "Ellis, like a lot of great players, does seem to have a knack of getting others around him to up their game. But as I said, it's subjective. Effort isn't everything, I thought the effort against KR and Cas was good, but it got us nowhere. The difference now imo is that we are executing better and playing a more positive brand of rugby. Ellis isn't the reason for that.
I almost feel like I am being critical of Ellis, that really isn't my intention at all. I just feel that too much is being made of the difference he has made. Other people have been more influential.'"
Who, in your view, are these "other people"? |
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"If the human brain were so simple that we could understand it, we would be so simple that we couldn't." - Emerson M. Pugh:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_75870.jpg |
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| Quote: Chris71 "Whilst I agree with you that Radford needs to balance long term thinking with short term success I have to disagree about the difference being minimal made by Ellis. The impact of his leadership has been huge and its no coincidence we have won with him back.
You only have to look at him during the warm up with him talking and barking out instructions to the team to see what he brings and what we lost in terms of leadership when he retired.
It may well only be a temporary measure but his impact on the team during his comeback however brief it maybe can not be understated. One of the things that sets Ellis apart from other players is he manages to get players around him to up their game and its those little extra percentages that make the difference. Thats why he is a player that is rare breed and isn't replaceable in a sense.'"
I agree. In a highly physical sport like rugby league it can be easy to underestimate the impact of a psychological boost to the team's performance. Whilst Ellis can still contribute in small doses to the physical side, I think he adds enormously to the 'head' aspect of the players around him from warm-up to final whistle. |
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| Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "Well surely if that's the case, then hes a massive reason for the turn around. I think your right by the way, in terms of him inspiring everyone around him'"
Ellis, like a lot of great players, does seem to have a knack of getting others around him to up their game. But as I said, it's subjective. Effort isn't everything, I thought the effort against KR and Cas was good, but it got us nowhere. The difference now imo is that we are executing better and playing a more positive brand of rugby. Ellis isn't the reason for that.
I almost feel like I am being critical of Ellis, that really isn't my intention at all. I just feel that too much is being made of the difference he has made. Other people have been more influential.'"
I don't disagree in the most part but think Ellis' leadership has been more than a little influential and can not be understated. I do think that Westerman's return is also a big part more so than Kelly.
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long night here.We have done nothing but give away penalties
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How are we still in this?? Pretty poor half. Houghton a mile offside for his try too
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Jez Litten is speeding up the play the ball for us and its paying off.
Sneyd starting to vary his kicks rather than hopeful last tackle kicks to the corner.
Keep pressure on their line and turn them around with in goal kicks
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Wakey were kept tryless at home last week by a bang average Rovers side
We have to win and bloody hope we do
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Wakey win the 10 mins when Kirmond sin binned
Come on lads - tighten up D and cut out all penalties
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Penalties killing us again
We just dont learn
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Discipline and game management questionable tonight
Still time to win
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Another Manu penalty
Wakefield score again after a penalty
Shambles
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d!ckheads have fallen apart
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