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| Quote lummy="lummy"
We have to face the facts that their 3/4s were way to powerful and skilful for our backline and if we keep coughing up ball and penalties they would have hurt us badly regardless of whether Ellis and Taylor had been there.
I do sense a worrying trend in his ability to develop our backs and give young 3/4s a chance compared to the forwards at our club. When the England Aademy side played the Australian Schoolboys at Leigh in 2014, Abdul and Lancaster played staring roles (Logan possibly was involved in that series) but they are both gone now. Also playing in that side where the likes of Golding at Leeds, Gildart at Wigan who are now absolute stars and the likes of Toby King at Warrington who now looks ready to break big time too.
Why is it our players haven't developed? I worry about the skill levels of our 3/4 play in general and coaching of our younger backs.'"
I think you make some really good points Lummy re our 3/4 development. Lets hope it is something that Radders is working on.
It's noteworthy also, that although Martin Gleeson (who is now on the Salford coaching staff) courted controversy in his later playing days, he was a class 3/4 in his pomp. Ian Watson says Gleeson is a totally changed person and an important part of the coaching team there. The Salford 3/4s certainly moved the ball through hands with real zip and looked very dangerous. Wonder if its the influence of a Test centre ? Their winger Johnstone looks to be a real find too, what a player he is going to be.
But we also have a Test centre too in our coaching ranks, albeit in his first season in the role. Maybe having a Test 3/4 involved in the coaching of a 3/4 line is the difference ? Well its working for Salford.
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| Quote Uppo58="Uppo58"I think you make some really good points Lummy re our 3/4 development. Lets hope it is something that Radders is working on.
It's noteworthy also, that although Martin Gleeson (who is now on the Salford coaching staff) courted controversy in his later playing days, he was a class 3/4 in his pomp. Ian Watson says Gleeson is a totally changed person and an important part of the coaching team there. The Salford 3/4s certainly moved the ball through hands with real zip and looked very dangerous. Wonder if its the influence of a Test centre ? Their winger Johnstone looks to be a real find too, what a player he is going to be.
But we also have a Test centre too in our coaching ranks, albeit in his first season in the role. Maybe having a Test 3/4 involved in the coaching of a 3/4 line is the difference ?'"
Are you getting your getting your Johnstones mixed up, the one at Wakey is great and should be an international very soon and could do well in the NRL, the other Johnson (Greg) at Salford is 27 and been around for while, very good on his day, but very inconsistent.
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| Quote Uppo58="Uppo58"I think you make some really good points Lummy re our 3/4 development. Lets hope it is something that Radders is working on.
It's noteworthy also, that although Martin Gleeson (who is now on the Salford coaching staff) courted controversy in his later playing days, he was a class 3/4 in his pomp. Ian Watson says Gleeson is a totally changed person and an important part of the coaching team there. The Salford 3/4s certainly moved the ball through hands with real zip and looked very dangerous. Wonder if its the influence of a Test centre ? Their winger Johnstone looks to be a real find too, what a player he is going to be.
But we also have a Test centre too in our coaching ranks, albeit in his first season in the role. Maybe having a Test 3/4 involved in the coaching of a 3/4 line is the difference ? Well its working for Salford.'"
Which 3/4 coach though, who is available?
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| In fairness we had 2 of our better handling backs out in tuime and Kelly. Then griffin went of early plus fonoa was playing centre after playing wing most weeks. Add in binmans first match back and there's reasons we looked ropey. Add in we where missing half our starting pack and where facing a very useful Salford team. Looks like after reading Radford in hdm its salary cap issues keeping Hadley at wakey.
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| Quote PCollinson1990="PCollinson1990"Which 3/4 coach though, who is available?'"
He's not available right now, but I would have Cooke back in a heartbeat.
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| Quote Karen="Karen"He's not available right now, but I would have Cooke back in a heartbeat.'"
Ditto.
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| Quote Dave K.="Dave K."Are you getting your getting your Johnstones mixed up, the one at Wakey is great and should be an international very soon and could do well in the NRL, the other Johnson (Greg) at Salford is 27 and been around for while, very good on his day, but very inconsistent.'"
I just thought it was a new younger slimmer Johnson they'd found Dave lol  . He was just so much sharper and faster, than previous seasons. Massive improvement of Fridays showing.
Can't believe its the same player who scored that historic last gasp big smiles try at Caravan Park.
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| Quote Uppo58="Uppo58"I think you make some really good points Lummy re our 3/4 development. Lets hope it is something that Radders is working on.
It's noteworthy also, that although Martin Gleeson (who is now on the Salford coaching staff) courted controversy in his later playing days, he was a class 3/4 in his pomp. Ian Watson says Gleeson is a totally changed person and an important part of the coaching team there. The Salford 3/4s certainly moved the ball through hands with real zip and looked very dangerous. Wonder if its the influence of a Test centre ? Their winger Johnstone looks to be a real find too, what a player he is going to be.
But we also have a Test centre too in our coaching ranks, albeit in his first season in the role. Maybe having a Test 3/4 involved in the coaching of a 3/4 line is the difference ? Well its working for Salford.'"
I dont think our ex test centre was renowned for his moving the ball quickly through hands or his passing ability
What he should be doing is coaching Griffin how to tackle and helping some of the younger squad like Nick Rawsthorne develop their tackling.
The big difference in the Salford team is the form of Robert Lui who together with Dobson are the best half backs in Super League.
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| Quote bonaire="bonaire"I dont think our ex test centre was renowned for his moving the ball quickly through hands or his passing ability
What he should be doing is coaching Griffin how to tackle and helping some of the younger squad like Nick Rawsthorne develop their tackling.
The big difference in the Salford team is the form of Robert Lui who together with Dobson are the best half backs in Super League.'"
We could (some will argue should) have Kelly and Dobson in B&W
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| Quote PCollinson1990="PCollinson1990"We could (some will argue should) have Kelly and Dobson in B&W'"
We could also have Tommy Lee and Danny Washbrook.
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| Quote Faithful One="Faithful One"We could also have Tommy Lee and Danny Washbrook.'"
Indeed, but we wouldn't want to!
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| Quote Uppo58="Uppo58"I just thought it was a new younger slimmer Johnson they'd found Dave lol
. He was just so much sharper and faster, than previous seasons. Massive improvement of Fridays showing.
Can't believe its the same player who scored that historic last gasp big smiles try at Caravan Park.'"
If you are judging him on one game, might as well get him in the England squad, played the same as he always has, outstanding on his day awfully the next game.
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