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Quote: bonaire "I agree about Smith,it also makes retaining Yeaman a total waste of money'"


Why how mich are we paying him?

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Quote: Doom&Gloom Merchant "First choice 1-5 are likely to be:

Shaul
Fonua
Logan
Tuimavave
Talanoa

Backup:
Naughton
Michaels
Lancaster

I don't think that leaves us with a lot of cover for 1-5, and I think Smith does that across the backline to a high standard (both defensively and with the ball). Whilst Naughton & Lancaster are better long-term prospects I agree, Smith is better right now, and I'll feel a lot more reassured with him playing in the team than I would any of the three backup players I've mentioned (no disrespect intended to any of them).

Agree about Houghton. If he's injured long-term, we're screwed, but let's think positive You missed Yeaman off that list of back ups and to be fair I think losing all five of the starting 1-5 at the same time has never happened. Personally I think all of the back-ups are ahead or level pegging with Smith, whilst Smith might have the greater experience I'd rather have all of them including Yeaman in front.
The only singular reason to have Smith is for goal kicking, this points straight back to what I mentioned before season end about having a back up kicker practise before even pre season so we have a good deputy. Reece dean is the back up kicker IMHO for what it's worth. That's a direct swap for Sneyd then right?

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Quote: knockersbumpMKII "You missed Yeaman off that list of back ups and to be fair I think losing all five of the starting 1-5 at the same time has never happened. Personally I think all of the back-ups are ahead or level pegging with Smith, whilst Smith might have the greater experience I'd rather have all of them including Yeaman in front.
The only singular reason to have Smith is for goal kicking, this points straight back to what I mentioned before season end about having a back up kicker practise before even pre season so we have a good deputy. Reece dean is the back up kicker IMHO for what it's worth. That's a direct swap for Sneyd then right?'"


Yeaman should be no where near the threequarters this year. If and when he plays, it should be in the back row.

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Quote: knockersbumpMKII "You missed Yeaman off that list of back ups and to be fair I think losing all five of the starting 1-5 at the same time has never happened. Personally I think all of the back-ups are ahead or level pegging with Smith, whilst Smith might have the greater experience I'd rather have all of them including Yeaman in front.
The only singular reason to have Smith is for goal kicking, this points straight back to what I mentioned before season end about having a back up kicker practise before even pre season so we have a good deputy. Reece dean is the back up kicker IMHO for what it's worth. That's a direct swap for Sneyd then right?'"


I didn't miss Yeaman off the list at all. He's a 2nd rower this year. He's said that himself and so has Radford.

The back 5 positions (excluding hooker) are the least covered in the squad at 60%. We wouldn't need all of them to be injured at once to run out of cover. There were times last year we were very short in the backs, as well as having to cover for Shaul being dropped.

Whether the cover of just Michaels, Lancaster & Naughton is of adequate quality, I'm not so sure. Take out their relative ages and sentiment, and I'd pick Smith of the four every time if given the straight choice. Sure, Lancaster and Naughton have loads of potential, but at this present time, Smith is better.

He's more than just a goal kicker too, or 'the singular reason' as you put it. He's a natural footballer, has a much better defence than those three, can cover all of 1-5, has bags of experience, and cheap.

All in all I'd sign him. But that's just my opinion though int it Bumpy.

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Can't think of any other club that would have 4 back up backs ?

None will make the bench, so to me it is way too much cover, too much salary cap sat in the stands too often.

Would pass, he is solid at best.

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Quote: Doom&Gloom Merchant "I didn't miss Yeaman off the list at all. He's a 2nd rower this year. He's said that himself and so has Radford.

The back 5 positions (excluding hooker) are the least covered in the squad at 60%. We wouldn't need all of them to be injured at once to run out of cover. There were times last year we were very short in the backs, as well as having to cover for Shaul being dropped.

Whether the cover of just Michaels, Lancaster & Naughton is of adequate quality, I'm not so sure. Take out their relative ages and sentiment, and I'd pick Smith of the four every time if given the straight choice. Sure, Lancaster and Naughton have loads of potential, but at this present time, Smith is better.

He's more than just a goal kicker too, or 'the singular reason' as you put it. He's a natural footballer, has a much better defence than those three, can cover all of 1-5, has bags of experience, and cheap.

All in all I'd sign him. But that's just my opinion though int it Bumpy.'"

It is all opinion, I realise that KY is supposed to be a back up SR but he IS a centre and can easily play there if required...as a back up so my point is valid.
I disagree on the point that Smith is a good defender, too slow and Micheals alone is far superior as is KY. SM was our best back last year in terms of tackling, he hardly ever misses has more gas than Smith (who doesn't to be honest).
if we lose Sneyd are you saying that we should juggle the whole backline to accommodate Smith as opposed to having Reece Dean in the 7 position, it's where he plays, he's a fantastic prospect and he's a recognised goal-kicker.
Signing Smith completely undermines the players coming through and doesn't fit what we need, again that's my opinion and I don't have to be snarky about it.

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Quote: knockersbumpMKII "It is all opinion, I realise that KY is supposed to be a back up SR but he IS a centre and can easily play there if required...as a back up so my point is valid.
I disagree on the point that Smith is a good defender, too slow and Micheals alone is far superior as is KY. SM was our best back last year in terms of tackling, he hardly ever misses has more gas than Smith (who doesn't to be honest).
if we lose Sneyd are you saying that we should juggle the whole backline to accommodate Smith as opposed to having Reece Dean in the 7 position, it's where he plays, he's a fantastic prospect and he's a recognised goal-kicker.
Signing Smith completely undermines the players coming through and doesn't fit what we need, again that's my opinion and I don't have to be snarky about it.'"


I think most would hope that we've seen the end of Yeaman at centre, such a contrast between him and Tuimavave at the weekend.

Michaels has pace and is a fairly decent tackler, but him & Yeamo superior to Smith? I wouldn't say superior. Smith's versatility could prove very useful.

Lose Sneyd? I didn't mention Sneyd - but to answer your question no i wouldn't juggle the team around to play Smith, Like you I'd give Reece Dean the opportunity.

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Quote: Doom&Gloom Merchant "I didn't miss Yeaman off the list at all. He's a 2nd rower this year. He's said that himself and so has Radford.

The back 5 positions (excluding hooker) are the least covered in the squad at 60%. We wouldn't need all of them to be injured at once to run out of cover. There were times last year we were very short in the backs, as well as having to cover for Shaul being dropped.

Whether the cover of just Michaels, Lancaster & Naughton is of adequate quality, I'm not so sure. Take out their relative ages and sentiment, and I'd pick Smith of the four every time if given the straight choice. Sure, Lancaster and Naughton have loads of potential, but at this present time, Smith is better.

He's more than just a goal kicker too, or 'the singular reason' as you put it. He's a natural footballer, has a much better defence than those three, can cover all of 1-5, has bags of experience, and cheap.

All in all I'd sign him. But that's just my opinion though int it Bumpy.'"


Also sums up my view on it icon_biggrin.gifRUMMER: icon_thumb.gif

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Would be quite happy if he signed - if he doesn't then crack on. Good professional who knows what it takes to win things. It's what we're about these days (hopefully).

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We will sign him. It's a formality now. Just a case of dotting the i's and crossing the t's as they say. We've spent good time and effort on bringing him in all pre season, getting him to know the plays, players and surroundings. Can't see it been any other outcome other than they couldn't agree terms. I'd go for it to be honest, all the 'gambles' recently have had relative success Talanoa, Feka, Naughton to name a few (signed on short term deals to prove themselves) I'm sure there's been a few that haven't but I'm more inclined to trust them on this one. Partner that with players that have played with him and can vouch for his professionalism and character like Ellis, Washbrook etc.

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rlLoan departure likely if he does sign.rl

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yeaman to rovers on a season long loan. He will be their best back rower

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Quote: Staffs FC "rlLoan departure likely if he does sign.rl'"


Got a feeling it will be Lancaster.

Sunday was a great chance to give him some game time but his appearance was limited. Possibly Naughton too, got caught out on the edge for last 2 tries plus didn't come off when Michaels was sent on as sub in first half.

Cant see it being Yeamo or Whiting etc, with the U23s coming up they'll be used in that to steady the younger lads

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Judging by his comments last week i think it could be Lancaster.

Hopefully he can be loaned to a top Championship team to get some great experience in a fairly pressurized situation.

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I'd send Lancaster out on loan to get regular game time and to develop, but under our strict guidance. This allows us to have Smith in the squad as cover. Lancaster needs regular game time to develop. Sat in the stand waiting for the odd u23 game is not going to allow him the time to develop at the pace we require.
Smith's signing I suspect will be on the understanding that he is likely to be playing second fiddle and sitting in the stands waiting for a game.
He will also I assume be an influence off the park. He is after all a winner from the Leeds stable so will be able to advise the likes of Logan, Lancaster and Naughton etc.

Given Smith's pedigree and the fact he's available I think we would be stupid not to risk him. A one year deal keeps him enthused as you can guarantee that it will be championship rugby for him next season if it doesn't work out.

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