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| Quote: Diogenes "No I just meant he should offer to take less money for the reminder of his contract in the hope of getting back into the team.'"
I've often thought that re-negotiating contracts with the likes of Miller and Arundel would be the best way forward, but obviously the likelihood of them accepting lower money is slim, especially in Arundel's case who has a lot longer on his deal.
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| Quote: Diogenes "No I just meant he should offer to take less money for the reminder of his contract in the hope of getting back into the team.'"
As 1865 says, the chances of that are slim. If he's the best option available and Hull are paying him anyway it'd be cutting your nose off to spite your own face not to pick him. If he's not the best option, he won't get picked anyway despite taking up less of the wage budget (which'd be a bitter pill for him, I'm sure).
It might just be that he's not part of LR's plans, in which case there are 3 better options than taking a pay cut. Pay-off, subsidised loan deal at another club, hang about and hope for a new coach.
This time next year, a renegotiation might be sensible. He'll be paying tax at the higher rate, unless rumours are miles off, so there'd be a case for taking an extra 12 months on less per year than he'd otherwise get in 2016, but more than he'd get elsewhere.
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| Quote: Mild Rover "Quote: Mild Rover "No I just meant he should offer to take less money for the reminder of his contract in the hope of getting back into the team.'"
As 1865 says, the chances of that are slim. If he's the best option available and Hull are paying him anyway it'd be cutting your nose off to spite your own face not to pick him. If he's not the best option, he won't get picked anyway despite taking up less of the wage budget (which'd be a bitter pill for him, I'm sure).
It might just be that he's not part of LR's plans, in which case there are 3 better options than taking a pay cut. Pay-off, subsidised loan deal at another club, hang about and hope for a new coach.
This time next year, a renegotiation might be sensible. He'll be paying tax at the higher rate, unless rumours are miles off, so there'd be a case for taking an extra 12 months on less per year than he'd otherwise get in 2016, but more than he'd get elsewhere.'"
Its hard to see him getting many starts when we will have Sa, Yeaman, Michaels and Logan who can all play centre. However I would rather have seen him at centre last year than Whiting.
I don't believe he is part of LR's plans. Offering to take a pay cut may play well with the Chairman but probably not the Coach. He could sit on his arris collecting the cash for anther two years but he's only young and he'll want to get a contract somewhere else after 2016 so needs to be playing. Most teams will be sorting out their recruitment soon so if his future does lie elsewhere it needs sorting in the near future.
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| Let's have a look at the options
Yeaman ; final season ?
Sa ; not the fastest, better impact SR off bench
Michaels ; mainly a winger?
Logan ; looks good in attack and will improve defensively. Needs time to mature.
Arundel ; been unlucky, don't think he's on as much as people say. Needs a run in a team,
Whiting ; utility player
Talanoa; better winger ?
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| Quote: hazzard "Let's have a look at the options
Yeaman ; final season ? Hopefully
Sa ; not the fastest, better impact SR off bench Better at centre IMO but think Radford will also use him in second row
Michaels ; mainly a winger? Can play centre
Logan ; looks good in attack and will improve defensively. Needs time to mature. Agreed - we must not expect too much of him too soon
Arundel ; been unlucky, don't think he's on as much as people say. Needs a run in a team, Out of favour, not likely to get a look in
Whiting ; utility player Back row forward
Talanoa; better winger ?Maybe worth a try at centre given his positional weaknesses '"
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| Quote: hull smallears "been in bother myself on that score. However, the reply all is also a great function to slam dunk the original senders efforts to be a pi1ck and copy every man and his dog in!'"
my pet hate (or one of), dropping people in it (or trying to).
Only happened to me once, and the owner of the business replied "well, I guess as you don't seem capable of sorting issues without resorting to petty tactics, you no longer have a future with the organisation", the guy was in the car park with his belongings about 45 minutes later (that's contracting for you)
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| Quote: BIGARR "All three are still contracted to FC for next year.
All three will be way down the team sheet if we keep them.
Any rumours or speculation whats happening?
Between them they will be taking up a good bit of salary cap!'"
can we now also include richard whiting in this list of players as well? looks like he's going to be further down the pecking order next year
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| Think it's pretty insulting to ask anyone to take a pay drop because the coach has his personal favourites and certain players never stood a chance. some of the regulars have been god awful and gutless this season..why not insist they take a pay cut until they prove their worth? How about insisting our empirical coach take a pay cut next year as he's been pretty shocking in his performance..
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| Quote: the artist "can we now also include richard whiting in this list of players as well? looks like he's going to be further down the pecking order next year'"
Not sure of the rules, but now that Horney has retired, does the salary cap exemption or whatever shift to Whiting? He's been with us 10 years+. Can someone who understands this explain??
No reason not to keep him in the pecking order if so.
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| Quote: Chris28 "Not sure of the rules, but now that Horney has retired, does the salary cap exemption or whatever shift to Whiting? He's been with us 10 years+. Can someone who understands this explain??
No reason not to keep him in the pecking order if so.'"
don't they have to be "home grown" players?
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| Quote: Chris28 "Not sure of the rules, but now that Horney has retired, does the salary cap exemption or whatever shift to Whiting? He's been with us 10 years+. Can someone who understands this explain??
No reason not to keep him in the pecking order if so.'"
With all the other exemptions and loopholes I'd guess it isn't a big deal one way or the other. Mind you it's so, so convoluted, it's hard to judge.
Are they still doing that England player, let's keep Sam Tomkins in SL thing, does anybody know?
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "Think it's pretty insulting to ask anyone to take a pay drop because the coach has his personal favourites and certain players never stood a chance. some of the regulars have been god awful and gutless this season..why not insist they take a pay cut until they prove their worth? How about insisting our empirical coach take a pay cut next year as he's been pretty shocking in his performance..'"
Are you gonna eat your yourself up with another five months of this?
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| Quote: Chris28 "Not sure of the rules, but now that Horney has retired, does the salary cap exemption or whatever shift to Whiting? He's been with us 10 years+. Can someone who understands this explain??
No reason not to keep him in the pecking order if so.'"
Yeaman also been here 10+ so he would qualify if Whiting didn't.
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| Quote: hullbg "Yeaman also been here 10+ so he would qualify if Whiting didn't.'"
we're already claiming part of Yeaman's salary, as I understand it anyway.
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| Quote: Standee "we're already claiming part of Yeaman's salary, as I understand it anyway.'"
It's £50k in total per club, I believe.
So if we have any player on a minimum of 10 years’ service in our squad, we can spend as a club an additional £50k above the cap. It's not necessarily pinned to one player in particular.
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