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| Just to add at the end of last year's playoff game I felt Gentle was a failure. But over the weeks after the game I calmed down and now see the Gentle era as a success, he got the best out of what was available and with time and contracts expiring for certain players he would have changed the culture of the club. Anyone remember Yeaman being dropped, vindicated I think on performances since
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| Our Coaching structure is a joke .
Radford and Last are way out of their depth . Also an enthusiasic amateur is taking the warm up drills and running the bench.
This is meant to be a Super League Club , not Hull and District Under 16's.
Pearson is to blame for this mess. He has trusted the Club to a bunch of Youth RL Coaches . Who the Hell would want to come and play here ?
Hull FC are steadily in decline . A proven Coach was needed to replace Gentle . Either that or Gentle should have stayed !!
Adam Pearson needs to act quickly . Sort this out , or sell us to someone who knows the game , that Pearson clearly knows nothing of !!
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| Quote: easthull fc fan "As I've posted before I didn't want PG to be sacked I thought personally he needed another season, it's nothing to do with me wanting Lee to stay in the role "cos he's a mate" the squad are at a low with some key players not performing, will some of the current squad perform consistently week in week out? Who knows, we are not beating or even matching teams with any kind of performances at present for a number of reasons, & I blame a few things & not 1 thing in particular.
I also see that most of the squads are improved to, so this is also making it harder for us to make the 8, a play off spot as got to be earned, no team as a right because we think our team is good or we have made it before.'"
This squad (or the majority of it) made top 6 the last two seasons. This was under a 'soft' coach who supposedly did not have the respect of the players. The squad is certainly good enough to make the six again, particularly when you consider how teams like Hudds, Wire and Catalans have fallen away. The reason we're not is because the team is not performing to anything like its potential. Ultimately it's Radford's job to get them playing at their best, but he has admitted (and regularly demonstrated) that he doesn't know how to do so. If he wasn't your mate, you'd be able to see this like nearly everyone else can. He's hopelessly out of his depth and in danger of doing long term damage to our club.
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "I'd bring noble in for now, probably to work alongside radofrd until the end of the season then see how the land lies but I'd also be on a plane to Oz having a proper look at up and coming coaches who have worked with world class coaches for some time.
What would you do?'"
Go nowhere near your first suggestion and we've recently tried and failed with your second one.
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| Quote: Rock God X "This squad (or the majority of it) made top 6 the last two seasons. This was under a 'soft' coach who supposedly did not have the respect of the players. The squad is certainly good enough to make the six again, particularly when you consider how teams like Hudds, Wire and Catalans have fallen away. The reason we're not is because the team is not performing to anything like its potential. Ultimately it's Radford's job to get them playing at their best, but he has admitted (and regularly demonstrated) that he doesn't know how to do so. If he wasn't your mate, you'd be able to see this like nearly everyone else can. He's hopelessly out of his depth and in danger of doing long term damage to our club.'"
I do lay some blame at his door, but there's a few more teams this season pushing into the 8, cas been 1 of them, so some team is going to be pushed out. As I've said squads are improving, making our so called winables un winable.
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| Quote: WIZEB "Go nowhere near your first suggestion and we've recently tried and failed with your second one.'"
Not sure the second one did 'fail' as such. It appears Gentle was overthrown by a group of players who didn't want to work for him. I wonder where we've seen that before? Oh, yeah, our club, a few years previously.
In his time here, Gentle got us moving in the right direction, at least. We may not have been getting there as quickly as we might have liked, but there was progress (with a few fairly large setbacks, granted). Since Radford's appointment, it feels like someone has slammed the brakes on and thrown everything into reverse. If he doesn't go soon, we're in for another Agar scenario, and we just can't afford that. We haven't finished mopping up the mess from Agar Mk I yet, without Mk II adding to the shltpile.
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| Quote: easthull fc fan "I do lay some blame at his door, but there's a few more teams this season pushing into the 8, cas been 1 of them, so some team is going to be pushed out. As I've said squads are improving, making our so called winables un winable.'"
For every team that's improved, there's one that has deteriorated. I don't buy the argument that we're doing so badly because other teams have improved. Even if that were the case, which I don't accept it is, that's really no excuse for coughing up a 16-0 lead against one of the favourites for relegation, then getting shafted at home by a Wigan side missing eight players, all in consecutive weeks. That's before you even consider the derby and the Widnes game. And the fact that we can't win away. Your argument is a massive red herring designed to deflect criticism from your mate.
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| Quote: Rock God X "Not sure the second one did 'fail' as such. It appears Gentle was overthrown by a group of players who didn't want to work for him. I wonder where we've seen that before? Oh, yeah, our club, a few years previously.
In his time here, Gentle got us moving in the right direction, at least. We may not have been getting there as quickly as we might have liked, but there was progress (with a few fairly large setbacks, granted). Since Radford's appointment, it feels like someone has slammed the brakes on and thrown everything into reverse. If he doesn't go soon, we're in for another Agar scenario, and we just can't afford that. We haven't finished mopping up the mess from Agar Mk I yet, without Mk II adding to the shltpile.'"
Forget the Cup final and play-off debacle many of our performances under Gentle were very poor indeed.
His recruitment aligned with Bombers SL knowledge and experience wasn't very good.
Radford hasn't had the financial carte blanche the pair of them failed with but we are undoubtedly struggling and I have not the answers.
Have absolutely no doubt about it, Pearson regrets ever getting involved but his naievety has obviously been a major part of our current woes.
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| Quote: HFC Boy "Our Coaching structure is a joke .
Radford and Last are way out of their depth . Also an enthusiasic amateur is taking the warm up drills and running the bench.
This is meant to be a Super League Club , not Hull and District Under 16's.
Pearson is to blame for this mess. He has trusted the Club to a bunch of Youth RL Coaches . Who the Hell would want to come and play here ?
Hull FC are steadily in decline . A proven Coach was needed to replace Gentle . Either that or Gentle should have stayed !!
Adam Pearson needs to act quickly . Sort this out , or sell us to someone who knows the game , that Pearson clearly knows nothing of !!'"
Couldn't agree more.
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| Quote: WIZEB "Forget the Cup final and play-off debacle many of our performances under Gentle were very poor indeed.
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And yet better than most teams in SL over the entire duration of his tenure.
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| Quote: Rock God X "And yet better than most teams in SL over the entire duration of his tenure.'"
Well our owner wasn't going to settle for [imediocrity[/i.
He'd probably deal at that right now.
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| Quote: easthull fc fan "Bring more Aussies in, as the goal is club hull.'"
Fooking stupid idea if there isn't the quality in Hull though. I agree the squad isn't good enough but if the coach isn't then the squad never will be
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| Quote: WIZEB "Well our owner wasn't going to settle for [imediocrity[/i.
He'd probably deal at that right now.'"
I'm all for not accepting mediocrity, and if he'd dispensed with PG in favour of (just an example) Tony Smith, then I'd be fully on board. But to sack a manager that has achieved upper mid-table security (or mediocrity, if you prefer) for two seasons running, and replace him with a coach who can, at best, only be said to be a gamble, smacks of naivety or out and out recklessness to me.
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| Quote: Kosh "That's because our players blame everyone except themselves for bad performances.'"
Taking the lead from their coach then?
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| Quote: Rock God X "For every team that's improved, there's one that has deteriorated. I don't buy the argument that we're doing so badly because other teams have improved. Even if that were the case, which I don't accept it is, that's really no excuse for coughing up a 16-0 lead against one of the favourites for relegation, then getting shafted at home by a Wigan side missing eight players, all in consecutive weeks. That's before you even consider the derby and the Widnes game. And the fact that we can't win away. Your argument is a massive red herring designed to deflect criticism from your mate.'"
I have just said I blame him for some of the mess, are you half baked? But a coach can only hand out shirts & instructions, he cant take blame for there performances if they are playing with no energy or enthusiasm, it's a sport with more then 1 person so you win as a team & lose as 1! So in my opinion the whole squad/ coaches are at fault not a single coach or player, 1 staff member can't sort this mess it's going to take the whole bunch of them.
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