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| I reckon knockersbump has had more than a simple bump to the head, if he thinks Pearson will be taking his money back out in a couple of years. How will he manage that?
I can't imagine HMRC giving him a refund and I dread to think what value would be placed on 3+ years old gym equipment etc.
AP would be lucky to even start seeing a return on his investment in five years time
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "Not bitter, I just don't like the cut of the man's Jib, he's a here today gone tomorrow kind of owner, yes he needs to put money in to try to make the club successful but when (not if) he gets irons into bigger fires he'll be gone. He'll also take out what he's put in, absolutely no doubt in my mind. That is the massive difference between him & some other clubs owner's. The ambulance chaser is just an inigma all in his own right, I actually feel sorry for Rovers tbh..
As for asking if I'd have wanted Agar to stay on, I was one of the few who stated from the outset it was a massive mistake, my opinion never changed during his tenure, unlike many on here going from one field to the next as they saw fit...
You are a strange person!
Its not a bloody charity. Clubs are not a thing of pity. They are business's which people will try an d maximise a rerturn from.
You appear to be stuck in the 1970's with your view of the club as a business's.
As for here today gone tomorrow?? Pearson has been involved for over 3 years now, hardly a short term fix.
You appear not to like Pearson through no more than envy.
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| Quote: PAUL M "Did my job for me
Its all that southern air. Its having a bad effect on his brain.
Its amazing how successful business men manage to diversify (See Dragons Den as a classic example) yet if an owner decides to spread his wings into an entirely different sport its means the end of the road. I suspect some have hiden agendas just as much as some are totally blinded and buy into all the propaganda. Different ends of a spectrum but no less clouded in their judgement.
I'd rather sit back enjoy the ride, its bound to be bumpy, but lets face it if you sign up to Hull FC then you shouldn't expect anything other than a bumpy ride.
AP will make mistakes, its how he adapts to those mistakes that is the real issue. Its clear from his actions he was not happy with how things were going and has made changes. That does not mean we haven't made progress anymore than it means we are still a mess.
When you think of the really dark days over the past 20 years or so, you have to admit that under AP we are light years away from that, but equally can not rest as we still have work to do. I would suggest anyone who feels its being done wrong should call AP and make him an offer.
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| Quote: Graham Richards "Its all that southern air. Its having a bad effect on his brain.
I suppose the worry would be that he’s not really diversifying into a different sport but more going back to his first love.
I can’t imaging Pearson went into RL with his eyes closed but I would assume that its been far more difficult then he first imagined. RL isn’t football and throwing money at it doesn’t guarantee success, unless its vast amounts and some underhand cap manipulation and even that will struggle.
The key to Pearson’s continued involvement, and level of future investment, will no doubt come down to where the club is in line with his’ business plan’ and whether he has decided he’s thrown enough money at it and its time to tighten the purse strings and re-evaluate the future plan.
Ultimately at this time RL club ownership can only really be a labour of love, he says he’s still in love with it so I’d assume he’ll carry on, but as with the rest of RL the future investment may be scrutinised more closely.
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "
It has gone in the right direction, it couldn't really go in any other direction could it though, let's be honest?'"
3 or 4 years ago Bradford fans were thinking things couldn't get any worse, so no the improvement is not a gimme.
And if AP is a total mercenary going to take all his money back then the only way he can do that is to find a buyer convinced that they are getting something of value, ie a strong, winning, sustainable club. Building up to that scenario would suit me and I suspect most fans.
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| I agree with Knockersbump. Bring back Kath...
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| Quote: barham red "I suppose the worry would be that he’s not really diversifying into a different sport but more going back to his first love.
I can’t imaging Pearson went into RL with his eyes closed but I would assume that its been far more difficult then he first imagined. RL isn’t football and throwing money at it doesn’t guarantee success, unless its vast amounts and some underhand cap manipulation and even that will struggle.
The key to Pearson’s continued involvement, and level of future investment, will no doubt come down to where the club is in line with his’ business plan’ and whether he has decided he’s thrown enough money at it and its time to tighten the purse strings and re-evaluate the future plan.
Ultimately at this time RL club ownership can only really be a labour of love, he says he’s still in love with it so I’d assume he’ll carry on, but as with the rest of RL the future investment may be scrutinised more closely.'"
His mistake was hiring McRae and Gentle, in Pearson's eyes he was hiring a vastly experienced head coach who had worked at HullFC for years as Director Of Rugby, and an Aussie National side Assistant Coach with a great reputation. Obviously that didn't work out.
he has spent big on players, but we simply got it wrong. We got Ellis who got injured in round 1 and looks knackered after his NRL stint, and we got Holdsworth who could play a good game every now and again, but nowhere near consistently enough. Throw in to the mix that we had to clear out players signed by the old regime who weren't good enough or had off-field issues such as Seymour, Jamie Ellis, O'Carroll etc and its been an expensive time on the playing front.
Unfortunately for Pearson his takeover at the club co-coincided with a reduction in overseas players coming to SL due to the higher salary cap in the NRL and weak exchange rate. There hasn't been as many players on the market as in the past.
For those reasons I can see why Pearson's decided that youth is the future, but this will take time and the big question is whether Pearson and the fans are willing to wait. Pass sales are down, and the challenge is to keep the fans interested and the money coming in while the young players get up to speed.
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icons077e_files/5452-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg "Be you ever so high, the law is above you"
"No one has ever made himself great by showing how small someone else is". - Irvin Himmel
Tony, Blacklock, Yeaman, Whiting, Raynor, R. Horne, Brough, Dowes, Swain, Carvell, McMenemy, Kearney, Cooke. Replacements: Thackray, King, Chester, Saxton.:icons077e_files/5452-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg |
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| Quote: barham red "I suppose the worry would be that he’s not really diversifying into a different sport but more going back to his first love.
I can’t imaging Pearson went into RL with his eyes closed but I would assume that its been far more difficult then he first imagined. RL isn’t football and throwing money at it doesn’t guarantee success, unless its vast amounts and some underhand cap manipulation and even that will struggle.
The key to Pearson’s continued involvement, and level of future investment, will no doubt come down to where the club is in line with his’ business plan’ and whether he has decided he’s thrown enough money at it and its time to tighten the purse strings and re-evaluate the future plan.
Ultimately at this time RL club ownership can only really be a labour of love, he says he’s still in love with it so I’d assume he’ll carry on, but as with the rest of RL the future investment may be scrutinised more closely.'"
I may be misunderstanding you, so forgive me if I am, but...
His first love maybe football, but the returns are a lot less likely there. To get LUFC back to the promised land (if hes looking to go back) will cost hundreds of millions. Look at City's losses since the good Dr took over. Once there you have to spend more millions with absolutely no guarantee of any success. Look at QPR last year. Incredible outlay for failure. Ok there might have been big mistakes there, but I think the principles are the same. A 500K loss here and there in RL is small change compaired with the mega losses with no return in football. Once the structures are in place at HFC you will start to see a return as the outlay will be considerably less. Even if we go into a transfer market. As opposed to football were you billy basic Mr avaerage can cost £10m.
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| Quote: Graham Richards "I may be misunderstanding you, so forgive me if I am, but...
His first love maybe football, but the returns are a lot less likely there. To get LUFC back to the promised land (if hes looking to go back) will cost hundreds of millions. Look at City's losses since the good Dr took over. Once there you have to spend more millions with absolutely no guarantee of any success. Look at QPR last year. Incredible outlay for failure. Ok there might have been big mistakes there, but I think the principles are the same. A 500K loss here and there in RL is small change compaired with the mega losses with no return in football. Once the structures are in place at HFC you will start to see a return as the outlay will be considerably less. Even if we go into a transfer market. As opposed to football were you billy basic Mr avaerage can cost £10m.'"
The rewards for success and price of failure are huge multiples of those in RL, but the underlying business problem is the samealways[/i the rigour
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