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| Why should all clubs be sheep and follow the crowd? if its not what you stand for then good on them (the CEOs) that never showed, there wouldnt be an RFL if it was not for our clubs, so the owners should have there say. I would like to be in the Hetheringtons house tonight listening him ranting haha.
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| G. Hetherington, K. Etherington and J Rule three of the voting representatives there makes for a bit of an unholy trinity.
Perhaps Gary sees this revolt as a threat to his alleged plans to take over the reins at the RL who knows. Personally and its only my view, its pretty reasonable that the Clubs should know how the new structure and the Clubs in it are to be financed and what marketing is in place to sell it before they agree such a revolutionary change!
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| NH is coming off my christmas card list.
FC and KR fans are not supposed to agree this much........It feels unnatural.
Gary Hetherington must be spitting feathers about now. I mean he would have gotten away with it without those damn SL clubs
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| Quote: Ferdy "Well 2 big clubs wire and Wigan.
There may be more clubs apposed to the RFL ideas than the 6 that walked out. They just chose not to throw a tantrum and strop out favoring staying and trying to sort the issues out?'"
wire are a small club with a rich owner
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| Quote: Ferdy "Well 2 big clubs wire and Wigan.
There may be more clubs apposed to the RFL ideas than the 6 that walked out. They just chose not to throw a tantrum and strop out favoring staying and trying to sort the issues out?'" This was supposed to have been shelved till after the world cup.
A meeting was suddenly called (Which by accounts the non SL clubs knew nothing about) and the clubs were asked to agree.
The 6 clubs in question refused to be bounced into agreement and walked out in protest.
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| "I have been attending Super League meetings for 17 years and I have never seen anything like this before"
G Hetherington
And look where those 17 years have got us! Without a change of hierarchy at Redhall and some fresh commercial ideas from suitably qualified people we'll be lucky to see another 7 years of our great (on the field) game. How the RFL believe that they can persuade people like AP and Hudgell and the like to invest their own money into SL when the game is managed by parochial amateurs who seem unable to organise a p1ss up in a brewery never mind get sponsorship from one is beyond me. Clearly these guys have had enough and there'll be little chance of getting any more of their type involved unless something changes.
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| Quote: ChrisH ""I have been attending Super League meetings for 17 years and I have never seen anything like this before"
G Hetherington
And look where those 17 years have got us! Without a change of hierarchy at Redhall and some fresh commercial ideas from suitably qualified people we'll be lucky to see another 7 years of our great (on the field) game. How the RFL believe that they can persuade people like AP and Hudgell and the like to invest their own money into SL when the game is managed by parochial amateurs who seem unable to organise a p1ss up in a brewery never mind get sponsorship from one is beyond me. Clearly these guys have had enough and there'll be little chance of getting any more of their type involved unless something changes.'"
Totally agree, the game is being run by rank amateurs who haven't a clue. The game is dying, people are just losing interest, simple as that, and that is all down to the people running the game. Endless tweeks and changes to rules to try and appeal to tv audiences, franchise systems, getting rid of P & R, flogging dead horses in London, Crusaders, Catalan, 'Magic' weekends in Wales, Scotland. England internationals in Wales!!!, sponsorship deals with truck companies for zero ££, the list of idiotic, ill-thought out ideas goes on and on.
Perhaps they should look at the other version of our great game to see how it should be run! the ra ra boys seem to be going from strength to strength, over 60,000 the other day for a Heineken Cup 'pool' game for gods sake!!
People from outside our sport just look at it now as a joke! 'here they go again changing the system again!'. We need stability, we need to go back to 2 leagues with P & R for a kick off and then leave it. Stop tampering with the game. Most of all we need people running the game with a bit of nouse and who are going to look after the teams and supporters from the heartlands of the game.
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| How are we flogging a dead horse in Catalan?
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| Quote: VerbalKint "Totally agree, the game is being run by rank amateurs who haven't a clue. The game is dying, people are just losing interest, simple as that, and that is all down to the people running the game. Endless tweeks and changes to rules to try and appeal to tv audiences, franchise systems, getting rid of P & R, flogging dead horses in London, Crusaders, Catalan, 'Magic' weekends in Wales, Scotland. England internationals in Wales!!!, sponsorship deals with truck companies for zero ££, the list of idiotic, ill-thought out ideas goes on and on.
Perhaps they should look at the other version of our great game to see how it should be run! the ra ra boys seem to be going from strength to strength, over 60,000 the other day for a Heineken Cup 'pool' game for gods sake!!
People from outside our sport just look at it now as a joke! 'here they go again changing the system again!'. We need stability, we need to go back to 2 leagues with P & R for a kick off and then leave it. Stop tampering with the game. Most of all we need people running the game with a bit of nouse and who are going to look after the teams and supporters from the heartlands of the game.'"
I think a number of the initiatives have made sense , including Catalan , they've just managed many of the others poorly and allowed factions from all areas of the game to have their two-penneth thus diluting and undermining their position. My main point is that we need professionals running a top flight fully professional game. Managing from the bottom and in fact pandering to some of those"heartland" clubs that have a history of management failure , will just create a lower common denominator and eventually we'll be a semi pro or amateur game which will be ironic in the extreme! If we want investors to come into our game then they have to at least have a chance of not losing all of their their money and being able to influence what the game does with it.
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| Quote: Sheldon "How are we flogging a dead horse in Catalan?'"
Because it doesn't have a junction on the M62.
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| Quote: Sheldon "How are we flogging a dead horse in Catalan?'"
Because it was a marketing 'gimmick' having a team in France. An attempt to spread the games appeal from its traditional heartland, and make it more of a saleable product for Sky, failed imo. the money pumped into them could have being better spent elsewhere, same as London. Yes they have good support at home but imo bring nothing to the league what so ever, no travelling fans and one of the least attractive fixtures of the season. Would the football PL have invited PSG to join the PL? no. when Paris failed they should have given up on the idea.
People may think I am old fashioned but ive always believed we should protect what we have otherwise the game will die.
We will NEVER compete nationally or internationally with the ra ra boys and the sooner we accept that the better. People in London and the South are not and never will be interested in RL. I for one would rather us see us playing Leeds, Wigan, Cas, teams and fans with passion and real love of the game than London Catalan.
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| What money have we pumped into Catalans? Or for that matter London?
We did compete nationally and internationally for a long time, why should we give up now?
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| Interesting point to note that the 6 bottom clubs in SL in 2013, who did not walk out of the meeting last night, all have debts with the RFL that could be called in at short notice. I wonder if that swayed their decision somewhat? Leeds didn’t walk out as it’s clear their chairmen is after the RFL top job in the future. Puzzled as to why saints didn’t walk too?
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| How about a 12 team SL with 1 up 1 down P & R.
A 5 team play-off to decide the champions, with the league leaders qualifying for the grand final and 2,3,4 & 5 play-off to meet them. Gives more incentive, and meaning to topping the league.
Then along side that, 11 plays 12, with the loser playing the winner of the championship grand final, in a play-off for the 12th spot in SL. Would mean a few less dead rubbers.
P & R play-off could be played as part of a double header on Grand Final day.
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| Quote: Anakin Skywalker "Indeed but as MR mentions higher up Pandora's box is open on that score.
I will say however that I can't see it being over the 12 team reduction otherwise I fail to understand why the clubs are the one's likely NOT to be involved.
If it's over a reduction in funds I cannot see Salford, Cas, London, Bradford or Widnes going for that.
So either we have turkey's actually voting for Christmas or it's over something else. My guess would be the governance of the RFL.
Like I have said on the VT I get the feeling GH want's the top job at the RFL so won't want to rock boats. If that is the case you can count out Leeds and Wakey straight away.
Do Cas, Bradford, Salford, London or Widnes want to make foes at the RFL? I doubt it.
That leaves Saints as the only team I can't figure out but let us not forget they were against it so I await their responce with interest.'"
Agree about Hetherington's motives. I distrust him and Kath increasingly and now even view their saving of Hull (grateful as I was) as a shunt up the slippery pole to greater influence within the RFL by the controlling of not one but two SL clubs.
And we see it again now. Pearson, Hudge et al have one vote in 14 at any debate. The Hetheringtons have 2, nay 3 if the Rule marionette at Widnes is also deployed. That's almost a quarter of the total vote and over a third of the majority needed for any decision to be carried. They only need to persuade 5 other clubs to their cause and they control SL.
Worrying. No wonder the 'rebellious' 6 feel the need to postpone the conclusions of important decisions by taking alternative action to prevent a vote. Particularly if the issue is governance of the RFL.
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