To be fair that was Peter Sharp's team. Agar hadn't had much chance to destroy it at that time.

none so blind as those that refuse to see

Nobody is refusing to see. Just asking what appears to be reasonable questions that some (those that claim investment has been made) are finding difficult to answer! after all this is what a forum is for surely.

And I suppose the opposite Devils Advocate question would be how can you prove no invest has been made?

True, but if we finish eighth is that acceptable? Reaching the Challenge Cup final was an achievement but it can't totally gloss over a poor league season.

We may have taken at least a point off everyone but Huddersfield and Wigan but we've also dropped at least a point to everyone apart from Salford. Too many unacceptable results this season: Rovers and Wakefield at home, Widnes, London, Cas, Catalans, Bradford away.

I'm not finding anything "difficult to answer", I believe the investment has happened, but as a private individual AP doesn't have to let us know exactly what he has, or indeed hasn't, invested.

IF people believe we are no better off under AP than Kath and Rule then fair enough, I think we are miles better off. Are we where I want to be, no, I never rated Holdsworth but, from what we are told, we went all out for Chase and it didn't come off, Lynch has had an awful season, Briscoe looks disinterested, is that Gentle's fault, I am not sure.....

You're spot on fella I can't but surely that's not the point. People continually claim that significant investment has been made, which was lacking during the previous regime's tenure. But no one can actually come up with any specifics other that saying Bishop Burton. Now I've been to the venue to watch a few games and it's a very nice set up, however I don't know what the club has really done there.

Money details will never be made public. Have you ever looked at the club website?

These rltworl rlarticlesrl picked at random look pretty impressive to me.

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Look the questions are not just being aimed at you I'm asking them in general to anyone who gives a stuff about this sort of thing. It's clear you do as do I and you're correct we are better off with AP than Uncle Kath. However the one thing I will never do is to stop asking questions of those who run the club we all love.

I'd much Gentle and Pearson in charge...but as i've already said, all this investment isn't delivering as yet and there's little sign of things changing soon.

On the other points: Gentle stripped Lynch of the captaincy, which may have affected his morale. If that isn't the case, and his loss of form has been due to getting old...then you have to question why the club extended his deal so early in to his contract.

With Briscoe it is the coaches job to motivate his side, if Gentle coulden't do that he should have been dropped for Crookes months ago.

I think Holdsworth is average, but the best we could get at the time, and to be fair to the club there is a massive lack of quality half-backs in Super League which is a wider issue for the game as a whole.

I think Wembley came a year early in the plans, AP is no fool and he knows as anyone with any sense knows it takes a few years to get a squad sorted. The basis of the present team has a far splattering of the old guard and whilst some will be reatined others will and should be moved on.

Saturday should be seen as a bonus both to the club coffers and by us, some may argue that we could have done better given the resources we have now. In the Kath years we where promised jam tomorrow far too many times, fans have run out of patience after such a short time thats the Kath/Agar legacy.

Remind me how many years did Agar have ?

If you talk to any of the players or parents of players in the youth set up, they will tell you how much AP has invested. It's not the sort of thing most people would notice, but will payoff a few years down the line

spot on ian, rome wasnt built in a day, think some need to realise its a long term haul not a sprint, saying that we could do with a couple of good signings just to cheer us up a bit

Perhaps at the same stage now as Hudds were a few years back when they made a final and underperformed? It's taken a while but I don't think many would argue that they're semi-serious challengers at the very least now.

That was 7 years ago. I hope we don't have to wait that long