Miller has the potential to be a really good player, but he needs good coaching to progress.

It's a team game only individuals tried The pack didn't dominate the halfback wasn't given a platform. To have a go at a lad who as just come into the team is not fair the lad need time to learn his trade. For me Whiting should have been the other Hull saved this game as the worst one this season.Wigan was only that bit better.In a way glad we didn't win I think we would have dropped the bleeding Cup .Still getting my pass

I really dont understand all this talk of the pack being dominated or a lack of effort, the defence was immense. The plain and simple reason we lost the game was a lack of big game experience and nerves. The amount of dropped ball under absolutely no pressure and from a perfectly good pass was just farcical not to mention the schoolboy errors that were made time after time. We couldn't build any momentum or pressure and it really cost us. We only needed a 10% improvement in those areas and we would have won the game IMO which is incredibly frustrating.

They comes a point when you start running out of excuses, when DJ has his kicking boots on we can really control a game. When he doesn't he is exposed for the other areas of his game being so poor.

Miller on the other hand I am willing to be patient with as he is young and yesterday aside has being good for us IMO.

I really hope a full pre season will help them blossom as a good partnership but i fear it'll be too late for most supporters.

I'd say maybe 30% improvement but agree with your sentiment.

I have said it many times and maintain that I just don't rate Holdsworth. Barring the odd flash of class he really has more bad games than good. We really should've speaking with Cas and hijacking Salford's Chase signing and offer DJ the other way. We'll never win anything with him in the halves.

We will need a goal kicker but other than that we won't miss Tickle one bit.

Still need big changes to be successful...

Not been impressed with him at all....was expecting a lot more,like you say..take away his kicking game,which is hit and miss as well and he isnt really that good.Personally wouldnt go any where near Chase either...vastly over-rated and think he is good in a lower team...another Denis Moran.

Maybe, but he just has that ability to create something from nothing. Especially when his team is on the back foot!! We certainly need something different!!

played poor on sat as did most, still think he can do a job for us though,

He's had maybe 5 or 6 good performances this season and at that I'd have to think about which they were, he's the primary factor behind our awful attack. I didn't rate him when he signed and I've seen nothing to change my mind!!

At least Miller tried something on Saturday and I felt sorry for him as nothing seemed to come off for him. DJ might aswell have stayed in bed. He's a passenger!!

Would anybody try out:

6 Horne
7 Miller

9 Heremia

13 Holdsworth

I do feel Holdsworth kicking game is a valuable asset, one we've missed in recent years! Moving him to 13 would allow Horne to slot back into the halves with Miller!

Worth a try?

I know it wouldn't be my first choice, I just think having him off the pitch would set our kicking game back 2-3 years!

Miller and Horne would be good. Miller has shown glimpses of some Benji-esque kicking (can't remember which game it was where he kicked it from half way and hit the post, had the fb scrambling and turned the opp around) and Horne seems to have pulled a kicking game out of thin air this season