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| Quote: tommyfromhull "Well I think it is a very appealing position, which I'm sure will get a lot of interest from graduates.'"
Of course it will mate, it's a great opportunity.
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| And what if they can't afford to do it, what if they aren't in a position to work for free?
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| Quote: Sheldon "And what if they can't afford to do it, what if they aren't in a position to work for free?'"
Then they look exclusively for the paid internships, there's plenty about.
I think we're blurring the lines between a student internship and work experience for job seekers, they're two completely different things.
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| Quote: Sheldon "And what if they can't afford to do it, what if they aren't in a position to work for free?'"
They don't apply? Or they get another job on top? I know plenty who have done/are doing that exact thing, me included.
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| Quote: tommyfromhull "They don't apply? Or they get another job on top? I know plenty who have done/are doing that exact thing, me included.'"
You finished your PGCE now then mate?
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| Quote: Sheldon "And what if they can't afford to do it, what if they aren't in a position to work for free?'"
Then they either don't take the opportunity & try and get a paying job or do what I did and take the opportunity & discuss with the company hours etc do that I could get a secondary income to pay my way as I could see the benefit from getting off my arris to achieve what I wanted.
It's an opportunity for someone who wants a career in that field not a compulsory requirement!!!
Alternatively they can stay out of work moaning about the fact no one gives them an opportunity. When I left after graduating I was thankful for any opportunity paid or unpaid to put on my CV, I didn't just expect to be provided a living or career.
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| Quote: Chris71 "Then they either don't take the opportunity & try and get a paying job or do what I did and take the opportunity & discuss with the company hours etc do that I could get a secondary income to pay my way as I could see the benefit from getting off my arris to achieve what I wanted.
Alternatively they can stay out of work moaning about the fact no one gives them an opportunity. When I left after graduating I was thankful for any opportunity paid or unpaid to put on my CV, I didn't just expect to be provided a living or career.'"
It's always the lazy people faults.
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| Quote: Sheldon "
Where did I say it was??? Like I said they can take the opportunity offered or take a paying job or moan about the fact no one gives anyone a chance. So when anyone moans they are now classed as lazy by you are they?
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| Quote: Chris71 "Where did I say it was??? Like I said they can take the opportunity offered or take a paying job or moan about the fact no one gives anyone a chance. So when anyone moans they are now classed as lazy by you are they?'"
from getting off my arris to achieve what I wanted.
Alternatively they can stay out of work moaning about the fact no one gives them an opportunity
Not by me.
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| Has anyone taken into account that the club might not be able to afford to make the position a paying position? Would it be better for them to just not have the position available?
I don't understand people's gripes here? It's an internship aimed at getting people more experience in the field so they can go on to get a fully paid job in the same field. If you need a job that pays, apply for a job that pays. That's life! I offered coaches voluntary experience in schools not because I was greedy and trying to make a profit, but because it would benefit them with gaining experience and skills necessary to gain a job whilst at the same time make lessons better for the kids having an extra pair of hands there. I didn't need them.
It feels like a case of people feeling offended for others
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| Quote: east hull FC fan "You finished your PGCE now then mate?'"
Yes mate, thank god. Qualified PE teacher now . Doing some supply though, saving up to hopefully go to Australia early next year and do some supply over there/argue with Sheldon further about this brilliant internship .
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "Has anyone taken into account that the club might not be able to afford to make the position a paying position? Would it be better for them to just not have the position available?'"
If they need a job doing, then I'd say 'yes' - relying on free labour isn't a good look. If it is an opportunity to do a bit of shadowing and learn a bit about the job then fair enough. If they start chatting about fixed hours and meeting deadlines or targets, then I'd advise people to be sceptical. Also in terms of your CV these things offer most over a fortnight, or a month at the outside - that represents 'experience'. There's not much extra value in hanging around for 6 months. A month unpaid looks like you're proactive and genuinely interested, six looks like you're a bit of a soft touch and will raise concerns that you can't have been that good, for them not to have offered something more formal.
Quote: Wellsy13 "I don't understand people's gripes here? It's an internship aimed at getting people more experience in the field so they can go on to get a fully paid job in the same field. If you need a job that pays, apply for a job that pays. That's life! I offered coaches voluntary experience in schools not because I was greedy and trying to make a profit, but because it would benefit them with gaining experience and skills necessary to gain a job whilst at the same time make lessons better for the kids having an extra pair of hands there. I didn't need them.
It feels like a case of people feeling offended for others'"
True, but there are concerns, which may well not apply here, that some internships ask too much and offer too little and that in a scary and competitive jobs market the naive and young might be taken advantage of. Also there's an issue in some careers (probably not including 'sales and promotions', tbf) that those not from backgrounds wealthy enough to subsidise a pretty lengthy unpaid apprenticeship, are getting excluded entirely. One for the VT, maybe.
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| Well I hope that singer who was "entertaining" us prior to the game on Sunday was on a internship.
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| Quote: Mild Rover "If they need a job doing, then I'd say 'yes' - relying on free labour isn't a good look. If it is an opportunity to do a bit of shadowing and learn a bit about the job then fair enough. If they start chatting about fixed hours and meeting deadlines or targets, then I'd advise people to be sceptical. Also in terms of your CV these things offer most over a fortnight, or a month at the outside - that represents 'experience'. There's not much extra value in hanging around for 6 months. A month unpaid looks like you're proactive and genuinely interested, six looks like you're a bit of a soft touch and will raise concerns that you can't have been that good, for them not to have offered something more formal.
True, but there are concerns, which may well not apply here, that some internships ask too much and offer too little and that in a scary and competitive jobs market the naive and young might be taken advantage of. Also there's an issue in some careers (probably not including 'sales and promotions', tbf) that those not from backgrounds wealthy enough to subsidise a pretty lengthy unpaid apprenticeship, are getting excluded entirely. One for the VT, maybe.'"
Excellent, well considered post, if you don't mind me saying. Now fook off back to the Rovers board.
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| Is anyone else of the opinion that the unemployed who claim benefits should have to do something for them?
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