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Quote: clubfoot fc "
there is a big difference actually
shoplifting is illegal using a relatives sky go account isnt.

breaking terms and conditions with sky isn't illegal'"

It is actually. Its covered by the copyrights and patents act.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "To be fair, Murdoch owns a relatively small amount of sky. News Corp own about 39% of BSKYB and Murdoch holds about 12% of News Corp.'"


However much he might own, he has great influence within both organisations.

Not sure there's even an issue, anyway. Under the SkyGo terms and conditions, provision is made for 'additional users'. As long as you don't exceed your number of devices, I can't see a problem with one of those users living in another house.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "It is actually. Its covered by the copyrights and patents act.'"



isn't that only to do with reproducing the stream or charging for access? not with regards to which device you choose as 1 of your 2 devices/

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Quote: clubfoot fc "isn't that only to do with reproducing the stream or charging for access? not with regards to which device you choose as 1 of your 2 devices/'"

There is an offence under the copyright and patents act of dishonest reception of a broadcast with intent to avoid payment.
The fact someone else, somewhere else is paying correctly isn’t a defence for you.

Im not a solicitor or sky though so im not saying you are going to prison or anything, just the principle isn’t just breach of contract.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "There is an offence under the copyright and patents act of dishonest reception of a broadcast with intent to avoid payment.
The fact someone else, somewhere else is paying correctly isn’t a defence for you.

'"


It is if they're not exceeding their number of devices, I would have thought.

For example, if my father chooses my laptop as one of his devices so that he may watch Sky when he stays at my house (which he does fairly regularly), I don't think there's any way Sky can say that the content may only be viewed if my father is present. How would they prove it anyway?

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Your father, using his account is a different beast to you, living in another house, using his account to avoid paying for an account for yourself.

How they prove it, and whether they would bother prosecuting is a different matter completely.

Im just agreeing with Cod’ead, it is really, in principle, no different to walking in to sainsburys and knicking a bottle of whiskey.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "There is an offence under the copyright and patents act of dishonest reception of a broadcast with intent to avoid payment.
The fact someone else, somewhere else is paying correctly isn’t a defence for you.

Im not a solicitor or sky though so im not saying you are going to prison or anything, just the principle isn’t just breach of contract.'"



I understand what you're saying but sky offer the facility to create accounts for friends and family to use their sky account elsewhere

so as fair as i can see the copyrights and patents act with regards to sky go is more to do with rebroadcasting streams etc not who you authorise to use your account

help.sky.com/my-account/sky-id/c ... country=ie
Quote: SmokeyTA "There is an offence under the copyright and patents act of dishonest reception of a broadcast with intent to avoid payment.
The fact someone else, somewhere else is paying correctly isn’t a defence for you.

Im not a solicitor or sky though so im not saying you are going to prison or anything, just the principle isn’t just breach of contract.'"



I understand what you're saying but sky offer the facility to create accounts for friends and family to use their sky account elsewhere

so as fair as i can see the copyrights and patents act with regards to sky go is more to do with rebroadcasting streams etc not who you authorise to use your account

help.sky.com/my-account/sky-id/c ... country=ie


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Quote: clubfoot fc "I understand what you're saying but sky offer the facility to create accounts for friends and family to use their sky account elsewhere

so as fair as i can see the copyrights and patents act with regards to sky go is more to do with rebroadcasting streams etc not who you authorise to use your account

Both of those specify you need to be a member of the household. You have already said that it would be a breach of Sky’s terms and conditions. Im not sure how it could be a breach of their terms and conditions and also allowed by them.

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ultimately, I doubt Sky care that much.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "Your father, using his account is a different beast to you, living in another house, using his account to avoid paying for an account for yourself.

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But if he chooses to use it at my house and then I also use it while he's not there, I fail to see how they could even attempt a prosecution on that basis.

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Quote: the cal train "ultimately, I doubt Sky care that much.'"



icon_lol.gif I know I don't so i'm gonna leave it there

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Quote: Rock God X "But if he chooses to use it at my house and then I also use it while he's not there, I fail to see how they could even attempt a prosecution on that basis.'"

an undertaking within the terms and conditions not to share the access information with people outside your household and a clause within the terms and conditions which says you will not access the product using that access information unless you are part of that household and a little box next to the username and password which you need to tick to say you have read, understood, and agree to the terms and conditions and that the account you are accessing is one of your household.

you have then lied, provided incorrect information and deliberately, dishonestly received the broadcast with the intent to avoid payment.

As i say, i doubt they will do so, but they can and have.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "an undertaking within the terms and conditions not to share the access information with people outside your household and a clause within the terms and conditions which says you will not access the product using that access information unless you are part of that household and a little box next to the username and password which you need to tick to say you have read, understood, and agree to the terms and conditions and that the account you are accessing is one of your household.

you have then lied, provided incorrect information and deliberately, dishonestly received the broadcast with the intent to avoid payment.

As i say, i doubt they will do so, but they can and have.'"


Can and have? In the circumstances I have described? Do you have a link to the judgement?

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Quote: SmokeyTA "There is an offence under the copyright and patents act of dishonest reception of a broadcast with intent to avoid payment.
The fact someone else, somewhere else is paying correctly isn’t a defence for you.

Im not a solicitor or sky though so im not saying you are going to prison or anything, just [sizethe principle[/size isn’t just breach of contract.'"


Well if you want to keep bowing down to these puppet masters, who indirectly rig the laws to suite themselves, and legally rip you off, then carry on having your pants pulled down.

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Quote: Rock God X "Can and have? In the circumstances I have described? Do you have a link to the judgement?'"

not of that exact circumstance no, but its a pretty established principle. There was a case on recently in the high court. Their defence was that under the charge of dishonestly receiving a broadcast with the intent to avoid payment they were innocent as someone somewhere else was paying the correct fee, and they had been authorized to use that persons account (the same as your defence for using your dads Skygo account). Therefor they werent dishonestly receiving a broadcast with the intent to avoid payment because the correct fee had been paid by someone else. This was actually accepted by a local magistrate and those facts werent ever disputed. Someone was paying the correct fee and so had authority to receive that broadcast and had passed that authority to someone else.
It went to the high court and the federation against copyright theft and Sky barely needed to even make representation because it is pretty established as a principle that to legally receive a pay-for broadcast you need to A) have an agreement with the broadcaster B) that agreement needed to be the correct one and C) abide by the terms of that agreement.

The same principle applies for Sky GO, for you to receive Sky GO and not be dishonestly receiving a broadcast with the intent to avoid payment you must have an agreement with Sky ( you cannot access SkyGo without one as you need to agree to the T's and C's each and every time you sign in) That agreement must be the correct one (as per the terms and conditions you agree to only share or give access to those in your household, you also agree that the account you are accessing is one of your household) and you need to abide by the terms of it (which considering the two early points you cannot possibly be if you are accessing someone elses)

Its a pretty simple principle, to not be dishonestly receiving a broadcast with the intent to avoid payment, you cant lie, pretend you are someone else, break the terms of an agreement to receive a broadcast you should have to pay for but are avoiding doing so.

again im not saying you are going to be prosecuted, its much more likely they will look at technical and DRM ways of minimizing unauthorized usage. Its just there is no point arguing something technically isnt theft, when technically, and morally, it is.

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