I think he's doing a good job for us, but he desperately needs some help alongside him.

I'm not convinced by Russell, Ellis was shocking today and we play with 2 ball playing 13s but use them as extra back rowers, meaning he's the only option.

He did have a 5 minute mad spell for Washy's try when he tried a banana kick straight down cockends throat, gave away a penalty then stepped aside for Washy to walk through.

That tackle on the raging juggernaut that is Danny Washbrook was like watching Dobbo

He's put in some great defensive efforts this season. His effort on Washy was poor but so was Whitings on Amor. Plenty of players missed tackles. Tickle got done at marker for one try for example.

I will not dispute that he has put some decent defensive stints in, overall though I am still undecided about him, his kicking game is very average, however after seeing him against Leeds with Whiting I like many believe he needs a decent 6 with him, hopefully he will get that next season and prove his worth.

His kicking was as bad as I've seen at Hull FC, his defense was poor and his attack was un-inventive. He looked like a watered down version of Rich Horne, who would be absolutely hung out to dry if he'd played like that yesterday.

Seymour is crap, as is Horne, but the same people have been making excuses for the pair of them all season, and most of Horne's career, neither will win trophies.

That's the key, getting him a good partner to work with.

Rubbish. If you think Seymour is crap you've clearly not been watching us.

I've seen enough to know he isn't a world class halfback, he's average, and that is being generous.

It seems many FC fans have only really seen us in Super League, they don't remember what a joy it was to have players like Entat and Mackey, Hasler et al. TRUE halfbacks. (and I am sure IanP/cod'ead will provide memories of even better players from before them)

He isn't crap, then.

How many TRUE halfbacks are around, available and are as good as the halfbacks from back in the good old days?

Yeah, and none of the current Manchester United team is good enough because they used to have George Best and Bobby Charlton playing for them.....

very few, but that doesn't mean suddenly my expectations change, too many people accept mediocrity in too many things.

Where did anyone say he was world class? How many world class halfbacks are there in SL?

Times have changed, the game has changed. What's the point comparing and going backwards all those years.

Indeed, the game has changed, and not for the better.

How many world class half backs are actually playing the game at all? Seymour is good enough for us to be challenging and winning things IF he gets the right partner.