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Quote: hullbg "It was an over reaction, they went from one extreme to the other, instead of finding a safe middle ground.'"


Try telling that the families of the 96...

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Quote: OllieFC "Try telling that the families of the 96...'"

Where have I said the original stands where safe as they were?

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Quote: Standee "total nonsense'"

In your opinion, not in mine and not in others.

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You didn't. Your saying there was an over-reaction which is an utterly ridiculous thing to say.

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Quote: OllieFC "You didn't. Your saying there was an over-reaction which is an utterly ridiculous thing to say.'"

It is not a ridiculous thing to say at all. They made small changes to start with (Removing fences, swing barriers around the pitch etc), then they found the simplest solution, which was to make stadiums all seaters thus meaning every fan in is allocated a seat. But the safe standing thing that is going on is just as safe and with numbering to stop over crowding/overselling.
They could have gone with that from the start but over reacted and said everyone must be seated.

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Quote: hullbg "It is not a ridiculous thing to say at all. They made small changes to start with (Removing fences, swing barriers around the pitch etc), then they found the simplest solution, which was to make stadiums all seaters thus meaning every fan in is allocated a seat. But the safe standing thing that is going on is just as safe and with numbering to stop over crowding/overselling.
They could have gone with that from the start but over reacted and said everyone must be seated.'"

If 96 was not enough, how many have to die at a game for it to be a reasonable reaction?

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Quote: hullbg "It is not a ridiculous thing to say at all. They made small changes to start with (Removing fences, swing barriers around the pitch etc), then they found the simplest solution, which was to make stadiums all seaters thus meaning every fan in is allocated a seat.'"

They found the [isafest[/i solution available [iat the time[/i. Hindsight is great, but in the aftermath of all those deaths the move to all seater stadia was entirely sensible and justified. The fact that other options have developed since that [imight[/i be as safe doesn't change that.

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Quote: Kosh "They found the [isafest[/i solution available [iat the time[/i. Hindsight is great, but in the aftermath of all those deaths the move to all seater stadia was entirely sensible and justified. The fact that other options have developed since that [imight[/i be as safe doesn't change that.'"


I will concede to that Kosh. Lack of imagination or more likely the overwhelming urge to rid stadia of standing probably pushed the all seaters into action. I am not sure even if someone had come up with the idea of safe standing at the time they would have even given it a second glance. That is why I say it was an over reaction and something like the image below would have been a very good compromise which would have been accepted by most people.



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Quote: Standee "hopefully will never happen, it's much safer with crowds seated.'"

fully agree there
why go back to the bad old days

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"Leeds is the greatest club in Rugby League" Alex Murphy 2011:



I think the standing areas in all the new R.L stadiums confirms pretty much what most people thought, a properly supervised, adequately built and maintained terraced stand is as safe as a seated area. What happened at Hillsborough was undoubtedly a terrible tragedy, but when the authorities banned standing at games it was a knee jerk reaction that a lot of people in hindsight can recognise.

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Quote: leeds owl "I think the standing areas in all the new R.L stadiums confirms pretty much what most people thought, a properly supervised, adequately built and maintained terraced stand is as safe as a seated area. What happened at Hillsborough was undoubtedly a terrible tragedy, but when the authorities banned standing at games it was a knee jerk reaction that a lot of people in hindsight can recognise.'"

Sorry but you can't compare standing at RL grounds to standing at soccer grounds. The crowds are smaller and better behaved so it's inherently safer. And as I've mentioned the decision to ban standing [ionly[/i looks odd in hindsight - at the time there were very few arguing against it as it made good sense.

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He was right in the end:



Of course some standing is safer than seats

I'd rather stand on the sun than sit in the golf stand at CP

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Would love to have a standing area at the KC.

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Quote: Standee "hopefully will never happen, it's much safer with crowds seated.'"


Quite agree.

I'm more than happy with the KC Stadium as it is. Making part of it terracing would be a very poor move, IMO.

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As they found at Langtree Park, fans huddled together in one area making it unsafe due to overcrowding, yes this is because the new Saints stadium is open to the elements (And Macmanus calls it the best sports stadium in the UK...LMFAO) but if fans are going to congregate in the middle sections which is normal behaviour this would not be acceptable from a health & safety POV.
Standing was great back at the Boulevard, but we've moved on and for some to say sports fans HATE sitting you are really out of touch.

Without millions been spent on changing the structure of the stand to increase capacity than if seated it makes ZERO sense whatsoever.
With reference to lack of atmosphere that is a complete red-herring, it is the fans that make that, not the stadium design..
The Bradford play-off game amongst many others must have been all a dream then.

We don't need it, personally don't want it & it'll never happen in the KC at least.

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