Agree with that. "Top 8" as suggested by another poster is not nearly good enough.

We should be aiming for the top four in 2012 and the top two in 2013.

Where do you see the halves, Paul? Horne 6, Seymour 7, Ellis as cover, or Seymour 6, Ellis 7, Horne as cover? I'm just hoping Ellis doesn't end up in the reserves - needs gametime to improve and make the step up, but really hoping we don't just pick him for injury cover.

It's lovely to see so much of you on here since Pearson took over, stirring up conspiracy theories about the Allam influence on the purchase and so forth, and now the rather excellent faux indignation about perhaps one of the Briscoe brothers moving on. Indeed, 12 of your last 15 posts have been on here, and one of the other 3 was on the Leeds board to comment about Hull fans starting trouble at the last derby. Can a moderator be a troll? Or are you a bit upset you're about to sign a coach with "concerns about his character" and your marquee signing is looking like Sam Barlow?

Horne, Seymour with Ellis as backup for injuries or lack of form. I ant Ellis to play and he will get chances as the season goes on.

I don't want to be a dark horse I am looking for a good season and good open rugby,
players backing up, a good sliding defense, the team playing for one an other .
And not giving daft penalties away.Plus I am waiting for the ref's decisions to even themselves out
I keep on hearing that is suppose to happen Don't want a lot. Players showing pride
in wearing the Hull FC shirt .Then I will be happy

you are forgetting one major factor at warrington! daddy warbucks moran! he will just keep getting his cheque book out to bankroll success for the next decade imo

moran has put the structures and finance in place to ensure that wire have plenty of quality youngsters coming through. i hope pearson invests as wisely in the future of our club

same here, we need to bring our development in line with warringtons', like us not all of wires' youngsters will make it, so he will still open his cheque book when needed

Recent record of new coaches at Hull FC

Kear - Cup win in first season
Sharp - Grand Final appearance in first season
Agar - Cup Final appearance in first season

With this in mind I think it's very reasonable to expect a minimum of a Grand Final win next season!!!

I like your logic.

I like the other kids way of thinking. yours is far too sensible.

Too early to say if we can be 'dark horses' next season. We are still signing players and I would not be surprised if we want rid of others but as they still have contracts it is not the simplest thing to do. Next season I will be happy if we can go into games against the big 4/5 with a real hope of beating them rather than grabbing the odd lucky win.
My expectations are not too high as Gentle has a lot of things to sort out, 3.5 seasons of Agars mismanagement needs putting right and it wont be an overnight fix.