I love your optimism Icecreamman, I really do. But I just can't see us making an impact in either the CC or the play-offs (if we get there). I'd love to be proved wrong but I don't think I will be......

Yes, we can go from poor to average and back to poor from week to week.

not optimism but delution.

Come on!!!....nobody is that bad!

His preparation is faultless, eh??

If that is true, we must be the only team in the history of teamsport, where practice doesnt mean perfect.

Any player,coach past or present says "IF you prepare well, you play well!!"

Its that simple.

There is a common denominator in all of these petty spats

A good coach gets more out of what he has available than you would reasonably expect him to. Other than the odd game, agar has consistently got less out of the players he's had available than you would reasonably expect him to.

In over 3 years in charge, agar has shown absolutely nothing to suggest he has what it takes to take a SL team to a grand final win

It's as simple as that

really hope were not after this guy hes a waste of space and just wants a brawl all time

For some reason and I may be wrong (usually am!) I get the impression all is not well with Moa & Agar, at least it would explain Moas improvement

I have always considered Manu a very good player

Not sure.

Moa was a bit of an unknown quantity and perhaps needed guidence. Perhaps Agar's quality is bringing on younger players. Afterall, Houghton, Briscoe and Moa have improved. Perhaps these players were always going to flurish due to natural talent.

Where Agar falls short is advising experianced, established players, like Lauaki. Perhaps Lauaki (and others for that matter) do not respect Agar as he hasn't really achieved anything of note in the game?

Manu was always a great player from the day he signed for Sharp

See, we can debate things without a slagging match

hey we are all buddies and supporters at the end of the day,