Yes lets wait till our season is almost over to decide what we already know that he isnt upto Super league level

tbf,i got told this morning,that Longy has been telling friends in St Helens he is leaving hull?he is supposed to have said that tomorrow is his last game

What do you expect Fitz to say? "I'm with the fans, Agar's out of his depth and the sooner he's gone the better". It's typical towing the party line commenting and I've read very little into it.

I also disagree with your rebuilding comments; Agar has had three seasons and the rugby has not improved and the match day experience is the same today as it was when he started - dire, very dire!

Nathan Brown, Tony Smith and Michael Mcguire et al have proven it doesn't take 3 seasons to turn big clubs around.

Both sum it up for me

You sound like James rule putting spin on Agars pathetic attempt to make us a top club. We have heard it isnt his team but Maguire,Smith and Brown have done wonders with what wasnt there team in much less time then Agar. And he has had players out and it isnt his fault Well the buck stops with him this year he knew about long and horne and still didnt find anyone. Although other coaches didnt have a problem when they went looking for a quality half.

The Squad isnt balanced and he buys a looseforward(and plays him 2nd rower yes we short there arnt we) when we need a half and a hooker and dont get me started with his interchanges.

Add to the fact we play the most dire rugby in the league and you want to give him more time

How many play off games has Agar won in his time in charge since taking over from Sharp?

Lordy. Wakey's bench hooker becomes our first choice 7.

First of all, dire is a strong word to use, in reality we are probably slap bang in the middle of the league when it comes to quality of our play, there are plenty of better sides, but we are a long long way from being the worst. Secondly the three coaches you mentioned (argueably Brown aside) took over clubs with much better players than Agar had when he took over us and they havn't had the bad luck that Agar has had. Wigan were on the verge of something great anyway and Warrington, despite underachieving, had a quality squad and it was probably Lowes' ineptitude that held them back.

I agree that Fitz, especially as captain, has to be proffesional and back his coach and team mates, but I also think his comments are genuine, he has spoken highly of Agar since he came here and whilst he's not going to come out and lay into Agar I don't think he would talk him up so much if he didn't believe what he was saying.

when i was first told,i thought it was to go back to saints,but apparently,that isn't the case,as he will just pack up now!!he has said he thought he would have more input regarding coaching,as most of us were under the impression,this was meant to happen,but obv not.Don't know anything about him falling out with webster,and my saints friend,said he has never mentioned james,so admit in that respect i know nothing,but i believe my friend saying what she did.Gary Wheeler is on a booze warning there too(tanseyesque!!!!)

You put Agar in charge of any of them three teams and they would have gone backwards for sure. Agar is totally out of his depth

Is Fitz on the "payroll"?

No, he's brought his family over for 2 years to play for nothing.

Ant he got a chrysler car thrown in for his efforts.