And B comes before them both.

Been that way for most of the past 25 years, so not really a suprise.

Every-one is entitled to their own opinion that is what the forum is about, a couple of valid points have been raised imo.
I posted last year that my hubby did not want us to renew our passes, as a team we are forever patching up and using different combinations etc...Now we should celebrate the signing of Phelps because he is a fullback who we can utilise every where else I talked my hubby around and we have renewed, however I am indeed one of the most optimistic fc fans there is but my rose tinted glasses are starting to steam up, I fear it could be a long season ahead.

I am just thankful we have still got a club.

Training Facilities: I'm sure since Rule has been in place we've had a couple of deals to build one. Firstly we had an agreement with the Uni, whereby they provided the land and we built the facilities (I'm sure Wilf knew all the detailson this one. That one fell through at no fault of the club. Secondly was the Boulevard development in a deal with the NHS I believe(?), again fallen through, and not at the fault of the club as far as I'm aware. The club simply can't afford to buy the land AND build a brand new facility, we need a partner to invest. Also, it's not asif the club isn't trying to get it's own facility.

Squad quality: We definately do have the quality in our squad, we just don't have the depth. No halfback cover has been brought in, but you could say the club saw Nicklas as that backup, as well as Turner. Still one maybe two players needed, but only as squad players IMO.

Salary cap: For all you know we were nearing full cap before Berro left. Caders gone & replaced by Sharp; Cussack and Hall's salary out, Westerman in. So I'd say that's about right. Burnett, Berro & Tansey left afterwards, Phelps in, so we still have space on there should a player become available, and I suspect the club are still looking.

Inexperienced coach: There are definately more inexperienced coached out there, and based on league position, Agar is the best British coach out there .

Youngsters: Yes, we've not brought through too many in recent years (except for Briscoe & Houghton) which you could put down to KR now being in SL. We have Lyne, Cunningham, J.Briscoe, Williams, who could all make the step up this year. We've signed youngsters from Scotland and Cumbria, so were doing our share of scouting.

Ambition: Paying out transfer fees for young British players is certainly ambition, and investing for the future. As is setting up the Sirius Academy, Jets programme. As fir Agar, the club believe they have their man, and it 's quite admirable how they've stuck by him and backup him with these transfers. I think this season will be his last chance though.

You need to chill out mate and think back to how things were 11 years ago. Yes, there are problems but it's not as though the club aren't trying to iron them out.

Jake's already sat in Parkers waiting for the meeting to become quorate.

There is no question they would not have a couple of million spare floating around but as a well run club posting profit year on year there is no way a bank or funding body would not offer to back a development scheme.

They were close to Uni until......well, lets just say they were close to getting a training facility at Hull Uni

I wonder what happend to the Rugby Union club that used to play at Wigans training facility......Wigan got handed that after Whelan and Lindsey shafted Orrell RU and a mysterious fire broke out.