Pretty much yes, if we assume the coach is responsible for player recruitment, development of young players and player retention



No, so ask yourself why we are paying the same amount for poorer players



Dunno, but I reckon the following would be there or thereabouts with any team in SL

Manu
Fitz
O'meley
Briscoe
Berrigan
Long
Moa
Tickle

Conversely, there are plenty of players at those 4 clubs who wouldn't displace their opposite number in our team



I'm saying I don't believe that agar has the knowledge or experience to get the best out of the group of players we have. Similar to noble at wigan, sharp at hudds and cullen/lowes at wire.

Do you believe we are performing to our full potential or that we have for the last 2 years?



No, there are other factors involved, but it would certainly improve our chances

We pay more for lesser players because they have to live in hull.

I'm not knocking hull but it's a hard place to sell.

Lets be honest,the players we signed this season ie Long,Fitzy,Omera dont need, or should not need coaching, it shows on the field when they play well we win Agar has nothing to do with it so why keep picking on him when we dont have this class of player and he can't coach lesser mortals to play, then critice him

I haven't a clue what you mean.

I think he's trying to turn it into a "fitz, long and o'mely out" thread

Better players get better results under the same coach. Thats unexpected. Has anyone told the RFL? It may be the key to beating the aussies.

Which coaches in the league do you think are better than Agar?

smith
mclennan
noble
potter
maguire
mcrae
morgan
kear

I wouldn't want them all at Hull, but all are better coaches than agar IMO

I think to be a top team we need

1. To appoint and retain a good coach
2. To recruit the best top name British and overseas players we can afford (and who want to come to Hull)
3. To develop young local talent to its fullest extent. We all seem to think we have a good youth set up here but not many of them seem to come through into the senior ranks and become top class international players as opposed to just journeymen. Tom Briscoe is the one who obviously comes to mind but who was the last one before him? We talk about Reece Lyne & co but how many of them will make the grade and when? Where is our Tomkins or Eastmond coming from?

Sure, replacing Agar with a "top" coach may lead to some improvement but of its own it will not turn us into a team which wins trophies on a regular basis.

No expro we let briscoe go!

Some people just aren't 'fans'

1. The jury is still out on Agar (although some have already found him guilty)
2. Yes
3. I'm not sure we are

Agreed!! I do believe it is the case there are some posters whom literally just come on here to whine during their lunch break!

Agar has in my opinion proved himself to be a decent coach and will only get better AND he stayed with his game plan through thick and thin which is the mark of a decent fella in my opinion..
The results at present now we have "his team" back on the island speak for themselves.
How much better can we get that OZ ,SOO and GB superstars brought in to bolster the rosta??
As for the kids I will say that in any decade pro teams will only produce a hand full of young players who make the grade then the big names squabble over them and thats always been the case!! at present we have five or six that are decent and "could" make it, problem with the kids is just that they are kids and it isnt till they are 18 or so that you can see fully how they are going to develop...

I think if we can produce them we will have a good chance of keeping them. However we don't seem to produce as many or as good ones as Saints, Leeds etc.

So how about this for a radical solution - instead of going down Jake's route of sacking Agar and blowing the budget on a top Aussie head coach, why not seek out and appoint the best coaching staff we can (maybe from overseas) to develop the kids, rather than leaving their futures in the hands of ex-players like steve Crooks and Andy Last?

Andy last has a superb record as u20's/reserve coach