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| Quote: Kosh "That's a fair assessment, Paul, and I share pretty much the same concerns. The point I keep making though is that Hall gets flak for absolutely everything that goes wrong on his side of our defence, whether it's his fault or not.'"
These are the same people that blamed Best, Blacklock and Sing. The fact our defence is sucked in so tight leaving the winger exposed seems irrelevant to some. That said Hall makes poor decisions when the line is in good order, shooting out for instance and that's where the criticism is warranted. Also with ball in hand he seems to lack concentration and again makes bad decisions. He often will drop a seemingly good pass quite inexplicably and will often try and throw a pass that is clearly not on. The problem then is his head tends to go down and he seems like he is feeling sorry for himself.
I expected more from him this season but it is just not happening, I would not be upset to see him go. If we sign a centre to play alongside Yeaman and we have Whiting and Turner too then I don't see the point of keeping Hall unless he can find some consistent form.
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47381.jpg "Common sense is the deposit of prejudice laid down in the mind before the age of eighteen."
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| Quote: Kosh "
The statement was that things are [ialways[/i worse when Hall plays. Regardless of any other contributory factors.'"
Quote: Kosh "I don't think anyone is saying things are perfect when he doesn't play. But they're usually a hell of a lot worse when he does.'"
Just for clarity, like.
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| Quote: Kosh "So you reckon that Meli would have bagged more tries if Hall had been on the pitch?'"
Possibly, possibly not. It was a general observation: our defence often looks much weaker when Hall plays. He is a poor defender.
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| Quote: Amadeo Avogadro "Possibly, possibly not. It was a general observation
I agree that he destabilises our defence which is why I think that just by his staying in position we will be a much more solid outfit. I think one match with him doing that might give Hall and us all a lot more confidence in his ability.
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| Quote: Kosh " You've even got normally sensible posters on here making statements about how he's Championship standard and will never be anything better, when he's had our best tries-per-game ratio in two out of the last three seasons despite playing out of position most of the time.
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He'll never be any better because of his defence, which has shown little (if any) improvement since his debut. I don't think it's an insult to a player to say they're championship standard - that's still a higher standard than the vast majority will achieve. I just don't think he'll ever be up to the standards required to defend consistently well in a SL side. If that makes my opinion 'not sensible' in your eyes, then so be it.
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| Quote: Kosh "I think it may have gone to far to be rescued TBH. A large section of fans have decided that he's a poor player and always will be, and history shows that those opinions tend to be difficult to change. You've even got normally sensible posters on here making statements about how he's Championship standard and will never be anything better, when he's had our best tries-per-game ratio in two out of the last three seasons despite playing out of position most of the time.
I think a fresh start somewhere else might be best for him.'"
I have to agree with all of that to be honest
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| Quote: PAUL M "These are the same people that blamed Best, Blacklock and Sing. The fact our defence is sucked in so tight leaving the winger exposed seems irrelevant to some. That said Hall makes poor decisions when the line is in good order, shooting out for instance and that's where the criticism is warranted. Also with ball in hand he seems to lack concentration and again makes bad decisions. He often will drop a seemingly good pass quite inexplicably and will often try and throw a pass that is clearly not on. The problem then is his head tends to go down and he seems like he is feeling sorry for himself.
I expected more from him this season but it is just not happening, I would not be upset to see him go. If we sign a centre to play alongside Yeaman and we have Whiting and Turner too then I don't see the point of keeping Hall unless he can find some consistent form.'"
Constantly under immense pressure due to the goldfish bowl that is FC fans whom blame his for everything that goes wrong in defence!
He is a much much better pleayer than most give credit.
He HAS had an offer and we await the outcome .
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| Quote: Kosh "Aye. Look how he got targeted by Saints - four tries run in on his wing and he was only on the bench.'"
When whiting's on the wing it's the centre's fault. I distinctly heard turner shout "let go of it" to whiting which resulted in meli's 1st try
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "When whiting's on the wing it's the centre's fault. I distinctly heard turner shout "let go of it" to whiting which resulted in meli's 1st try'"
Are you sure there wasnt a 'DON'T' before that JTP?
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| Quote: knocker norton "Are you sure there wasnt a 'DON'T' before that JTP?
Are you suggesting it was whiting's fault
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "Are you suggesting it was whiting's fault
No, no! I lay the blame squarely at the feet of Leon Pryce and Francis Meli...if it hadnt been for them two i dont reckon Saints would have scored that try. IMO of course.
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| Two of those four tries , Meli should have been banged into row z , He was shown the touch line and quietly obliged.
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| Quote: Amadeo Avogadro "He'll never be any better because of his defence, which has shown little (if any) improvement since his debut. I don't think it's an insult to a player to say they're championship standard - that's still a higher standard than the vast majority will achieve. I just don't think he'll ever be up to the standards required to defend consistently well in a SL side. If that makes my opinion 'not sensible' in your eyes, then so be it.'"
You may not consider championship standard to be an insult. Others clearly do and use the term in that manner. From what I've seen of most championship backs Hall is clearly of a higher overall standard, and his scoring return against SL defences tends to back that up.
His defence is a concern because after an improvement it seems to have dipped back again and he's making the same mistakes. How much of that is down to an inability or unwillingness to learn I have no idea, hence I am not about to judge that under no circumstances will it ever improve. Such certainty seems misplaced IMO.
I'd like to see him stay, knuckle down, and develop into the player he has the potential to be. I realise that he's failed to do that since his debut with us (although I think there has been some small improvement) but there have been some extenuating circumstances. However, as I've said elsewhere, I think he may be better served starting somewhere else with a clean slate in a different and possibly more settled setup.
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "Are you suggesting it was whiting's fault
Nah. I reckon Hall reached out from the bench and flicked the ball out of Whiting's hands.
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| Quote: Gordon Gekko "Maybe he/she misheard
Maybe they were fibbing?
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